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The charity calculated that a 23-year-old single mother, who works as a primary school teacher and rents her home, would be more than £2,800 a year worse off as a result of the changes. And a nurse and her partner, living in a rented house in London with three children, would be £5,100 a year worse off.

Shouldn't the shocker be that someone who works (And presumably the partner works too) gets 5k of help from the govt?

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Osborne is raising the minimum wage at the same time as cutting/eradicating these tax credits. That is supposed to offset the losses but clearly it won't in every circumstance. Single mothers being one I suspect

But yes it was a terrible idea. Blair/Brown should never have introduced them in the first place.

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The charity calculated that a 23-year-old single mother, who works as a primary school teacher and rents her home, would be more than £2,800 a year worse off as a result of the changes. And a nurse and her partner, living in a rented house in London with three children, would be £5,100 a year worse off.

Shouldn't the shocker be that someone who works (And presumably the partner works too) gets 5k of help from the govt?

It is a moot point.

We now have articles in the press saying that we might have to make the elderly work to 75 for their pensions so that we can pay £5k a year to people in their 20-30s so that they can afford to stay working in London.

Who came up with such a crazy system.

Personally, I think a lot of it is down to the UKs lunatic obsession with protecting property values particularly in London which is an insanity that sadly afflicts all areas of society and most age groups.

Edited by stormymonday_2011

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We end with a system where the middle classes and the 'poor' all have the same income because the middle classes are taxed more and more to pay benefits. With more and more middle class jobs going to AI we will end up with just the rich and the rest.

The reality is the 'rich' are never going to fund this level of welfare. There is a very simple solution. The government needs to build cheap housing to rent out at affordable prices and crowd out the BTL sector. It is madness for billions to be spent on housing benefit when the government can turn worthless land into a valuable asset simply by giving itself planning permission to build low cost housing.

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We end with a system where the middle classes and the 'poor' all have the same income because the middle classes are taxed more and more to pay benefits. With more and more middle class jobs going to AI we will end up with just the rich and the rest.

The reality is the 'rich' are never going to fund this level of welfare. There is a very simple solution. The government needs to build cheap housing to rent out at affordable prices and crowd out the BTL sector. It is madness for billions to be spent on housing benefit when the government can turn worthless land into a valuable asset simply by giving itself planning permission to build low cost housing.

Its not about housing per se and a lot of people would say its not about building more at least not until the system is stablised there are plenty of houses available outside London and the South East

Its about:

Reducing the tax credit system

Reducing the welfare system

Reducing the NHS back to what it was and eliminating health tourism

Really hitting small time BTL

Rent control introduction whilst reducing Housing benefit

Moving tax take away from earnt income to unearnt income (and yes I know pigs don't fly)

Ensuring Large corporates pay the correct amount of tax

Seriously incentivising people/businesses and innovation in Cities outside London to create jobs/hubs

A combination of these would restore some sort of semblance of a working economy not the quasi socialist mess we are in now run by the Tories

Edit if the all of the above were applied fast and hard you would dramatically reduce the pull factor and thus inbound migration. Because contrary to what the outs believe, mass immigration will still happen because it benefits the elite. Hence Posh boys on both sides of the debate

Edited by Greg Bowman

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The charity calculated that a 23-year-old single mother, who works as a primary school teacher and rents her home, would be more than £2,800 a year worse off as a result of the changes. And a nurse and her partner, living in a rented house in London with three children, would be £5,100 a year worse off.

Shouldn't the shocker be that someone who works (And presumably the partner works too) gets 5k of help from the govt?

The shocker is, they're talking money back from people who didn't earn it and using it to support rich people who didn't earn it either.

Ten pounds to the first man that knows what the correct course of action should be?

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Good thing there are probably only about four 23 year old single mothers employed as teachers, I guess!

I wonder how many hours it took them pouring through hundreds of unlikely scenarios to find that one?

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It is a moot point.

We now have articles in the press saying that we might have to make the elderly work to 75 for their pensions so that we can pay £5k a year to people in their 20-30s so that they can afford to stay working in London.

Who came up with such a crazy system.

Personally, I think a lot of it is down to the UKs lunatic obsession with protecting property values particularly in London which is an insanity that sadly afflicts all areas of society and most age groups.

Wooh .... not so fast with the 'working' in London.

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School teachers should never have needed tax credits in the first place. That's a world away from a part-time nail-bar technician - teaching is a professional job!

Er part-time nail technicans exist because of tax credits.

Tax credits do not exist because of nail bars!

SImple in work system: 200/mont top up if you work 40 hours a week, earn less than 25k and have kids.

Thats all.

Dont work then you get 60/week benefits.

HB UK wide cap of 500/month.

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Its not about housing per se and a lot of people would say its not about building more at least not until the system is stablised there are plenty of houses available outside London and the South East

Its about:

Reducing the tax credit system

Reducing the welfare system

Reducing the NHS back to what it was and eliminating health tourism

Really hitting small time BTL

Rent control introduction whilst reducing Housing benefit

Moving tax take away from earnt income to unearnt income (and yes I know pigs don't fly)

Ensuring Large corporates pay the correct amount of tax

Seriously incentivising people/businesses and innovation in Cities outside London to create jobs/hubs

A combination of these would restore some sort of semblance of a workin economy not the quasi socialist mess we are in now run by the Tories

+1

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I thought it was going to be about Boris Johnson.

How many little bastards was boris got - 2? 3?

How many people know this? Very few.

I dont think hes got a good lawyer, just seems to get away with it.

And he's still with his wife.

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It is a moot point.

We now have articles in the press saying that we might have to make the elderly work to 75 for their pensions so that we can pay £5k a year to people in their 20-30s so that they can afford to stay working in London.

Who came up with such a crazy system.

Personally, I think a lot of it is down to the UKs lunatic obsession with protecting property values particularly in London which is an insanity that sadly afflicts all areas of society and most age groups.

+1, pretty much where I see all of our problem coming from.

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Good thing there are probably only about four 23 year old single mothers employed as teachers, I guess!

I wonder how many hours it took them pouring through hundreds of unlikely scenarios to find that one?

I doubt there is a single one!

The youngest you can possibly be a teacher is 22 (assuming 3 year degree + one year post grad qualification)

To have completed your education without any interruptions whilst also having a baby??? Not possible.

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School teachers should never have needed tax credits in the first place. That's a world away from a part-time nail-bar technician - teaching is a professional job!

School teachers shouldn't need them and part-time nail technicians shouldn't get them.

Edited by mattyboy1973

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Its not about housing per se and a lot of people would say its not about building more at least not until the system is stablised there are plenty of houses available outside London and the South East

Its about:

Reducing the tax credit system

Reducing the welfare system

Reducing the NHS back to what it was and eliminating health tourism

Really hitting small time BTL

Rent control introduction whilst reducing Housing benefit

Moving tax take away from earnt income to unearnt income (and yes I know pigs don't fly)

Ensuring Large corporates pay the correct amount of tax

Seriously incentivising people/businesses and innovation in Cities outside London to create jobs/hubs

A combination of these would restore some sort of semblance of a working economy not the quasi socialist mess we are in now run by the Tories

Edit if the all of the above were applied fast and hard you would dramatically reduce the pull factor and thus inbound migration. Because contrary to what the outs believe, mass immigration will still happen because it benefits the elite. Hence Posh boys on both sides of the debate

Good idea, but sadly not political acceptable.

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