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In 2011, a greater proportion of females sentenced for an indictable offence had no previous cautions or convictions than males (15 per cent compared with nine per cent), and a greater proportion of males sentenced for an indictable offence in 2011 had 15 or more previous convictions or cautions than females (32 per cent compared with 25 per cent).

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The trouble with all this 'gender pay gap' stuff is that it is really divisive, even if there is actually a pay gap.

Pretty much everyone I know thinks they're not paid enough. They're kind of okay, and they appreciate what they get, but they think that they should be on more money. The neutral position is/should be 'I'm not paid enough - what can I do to sort it out'... Perhaps get a new job, or negotiate, or perhaps stay still, but that is at least a decision. But as soon as you start suggesting that there are other factors this makes it someone else's fault - so you blame them rather than trying to do something about it. You get similar effects with race and religion. Now I don't want anyone to be discriminated against, but this kind of talk makes people think that they're always being discriminated against, where in reality it is largely just the way of things - as I said at the beginning everyone thinks they're not paid enough.

You're much better off thinking that you're empowered to sort out your life, and be proactive to do something about it.

And it isn't so bad to accept your lot and put up with things - in the understanding that it is your choice to be passive.

But thinking that it is all society's fault that you're in the position you're in - that just leads to bitterness and resentment.

Hits. Nail. On. Head.

Yet another divide and conquer strategy to create yet another victim class.

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I dont think that tallies with your "much more likely" statement. Plus it's meaningless without knowing the crimes they were convicted of. Biggest reason is the male estate is bursting at the seams so they're desperate to avoid custodial sentences.

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Most of the crimes women are charged with arise for offences that are subject to Summary Proceedings which means they wind up before Magistrates rather than juries in crown courts.

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/Portals/0/Documents/Prisonthefacts.pdf

Half the Magistrates in the UK are women.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate_(England_and_Wales)

It is one job where men and women are represented in equal numbers.

If more women are getting sentenced on a first offence there is a 50/50 chance that it is a woman that is sending them to prison.

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Why does this apples-v-orange pay gap argument come up again and again?

Men and women are paid the SAME in the SAME jobs.

When you aggregate ALL earnings of men and compare the aggregate earnings of ALL women, it makes the statistician look like an idiot. Except in this PC age of nonsense, it doesn't. It makes them look like they've pointed out discrimination (if you're a BBC non-thinking editor).

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Why does this apples-v-orange pay gap argument come up again and again?

Men and women are paid the SAME in the SAME jobs.

When you aggregate ALL earnings of men and compare the aggregate earnings of ALL women, it makes the statistician look like an idiot. Except in this PC age of nonsense, it doesn't. It makes them look like they've pointed out discrimination (if you're a BBC non-thinking editor).

Even if it were true that women and men earn the same money for the same jobs, do you not see a problem with men earning more than women overall?

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The whole transgender rights movement is actually an antithesis to the idea that men and women's brains are the same (barring the effects of socialisation). Children as young as 18 months being diagnosed as transgender is a result of rigid gender roles. If you read stories about young children being transgender they're full of things like they knew their son was really a girl because he liked dolls and dressing like Elsa or they knew their daughter was really a boy because she liked dinosaurs and t shirts with cars on.

Well that seals it. As a kid I liked cuddly toys and dolls houses. Guess someone just forgot to tell the sex bit of my brain that I should fancy men as well.

You really believe because a girl might like to play with toy dinosaurs she is actually a boy?!

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The BBC is a socialist nightmare of feminist ******** anyway I dunno what your doing watching that garbage. They spout shit like "we need more women as CEOs" but never seem to spout "we need more women in the male dominated sewerage industry"

They also complete ignore really great women like Erin pizzey who is effectively banned.

Try listening to a hour of R4. It makes the rest of the BBC seem positively traditionalist. Not sure why they don't just rebrand it 'radio for marxist feminists' Doesnt seem to have much else on it nowadays.

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Even if it were true that women and men earn the same money for the same jobs, do you not see a problem with men earning more than women overall?

Nope, no problem whatsoever. It just shows men and women are (shock, horror) predisposed to taking on different types of work. Men are more likely to take on more dangerous jobs for example, that are paid more because of their danger to life and limb. That's not discrimination at work, but innate preferences. I would have a problem if somebody comes up with a blank slate theory in this argument, though. If someone can't accept that men and women have a biologically different starting point when it comes to job-type preference, then there's no point debating with such a person.

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Well that seals it. As a kid I liked cuddly toys and dolls houses. Guess someone just forgot to tell the sex bit of my brain that I should fancy men as well.

You really believe because a girl might like to play with toy dinosaurs she is actually a boy?!

I don't believe that in the slightest but unfortunately there are people out there who do and many of them have kids some of whom will prefer clothes and toys which society has decided are more appropriate for the opposite sex. These children are being routinely sterilised in their teens and their incidence is increasing year on year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35532491

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Nope, no problem whatsoever. It just shows men and women are (shock, horror) predisposed to taking on different types of work. Men are more likely to take on more dangerous jobs for example, that are paid more because of their danger to life and limb. That's not discrimination at work, but innate preferences. I would have a problem if somebody comes up with a blank slate theory in this argument, though. If someone can't accept that men and women have a biologically different starting point when it comes to job-type preference, then there's no point debating with such a person.

There is zero scientific evidence for any difference between men and women's brains and that's not for lack of trying to find it. Have a read of this book (the kindle version is a quid) and get back to me.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delusions-Gender-Science-Behind-Differences/dp/1848312202

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There is zero scientific evidence for any difference between men and women's brains and that's not for lack of trying to find it

Zero evidence?

Come on now....

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

It's only an issue when people see "difference" as "unequal".

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I don't believe that in the slightest but unfortunately there are people out there who do and many of them have kids some of whom will prefer clothes and toys which society has decided are more appropriate for the opposite sex. These children are being routinely sterilised in their teens and their incidence is increasing year on year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35532491

lots of girls liked doing boys thing...they would climb trees ride bike recklessly and lose their teeth on playgrounds.

Anyone who thinks this is a sign of gender mix up is an idiot.

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Women are actually much more likely to go to jail for a first offence or for trivial crimes. Before non-payment of the TV license was made a civil matter rather than a criminal one most women in jail were there for not paying the fine imposed for not having a TV license.

So if you want to change the split in the prison population you'll either need to send lots of women to jail for even more trivial crimes or solve the problem of male criminality especially male violence.

So why are there more men in prison than women?

If we take your point that women are more likely to go to prison for first offences and trivial crimes at face value, then that only makes the underlying discrepancy even worse.

Either men are being unfairly put in prison while women walk free, or men are more predisposed to commit the sort of crimes that we put people in prison for.

I think men are more aggressive than women, take more risks, and show a much greater variance in intellectual ability. These traits make men much more likely to succeed in life, and also much more likely to fail.

If you think that all men and women are the same, you're wrong because your theory doesn't fit the outcomes in the real world.

What we're now setting is an attempt to change the outcomes in the real world to meet the theory.

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There is zero scientific evidence for any difference between men and women's brains and that's not for lack of trying to find it. Have a read of this book (the kindle version is a quid) and get back to me.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delusions-Gender-Science-Behind-Differences/dp/1848312202

The brain my be the same, but that's not all that drives us. Hormones have a huge impact on how we think, feel and act in different situations, and those are undeniably different between men and women.

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There is zero scientific evidence for any difference between men and women's brains and that's not for lack of trying to find it. Have a read of this book (the kindle version is a quid) and get back to me.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Delusions-Gender-Science-Behind-Differences/dp/1848312202

You don't think being small and weak your whole life will have any effect on how your brain is wired? :blink:

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