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Scotland Want's Independence And The Snp Are Going To Dominate In May!

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The latest Ipsos-Mori poll has shown that Scot's are now in favour of Independence. 52% would vote Yes in another referendum versus 48% who would vote No.

The SNP are on course to retain their majority at Hollyrood in May as well.

Also, it seems likely that Scotland will vote to remain in the EU whereas things are not as certain in the rest of the UK.

All of the stars are aligning in our favour!

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/snp-lead-grows-to-33-in-inspirational.html

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They should introduce a sunshine tax, everybody is so happy to see it every 3 months they'd gladly pay a tenner.

£10 x 4 x 5 million = £200million, nice little earner.

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They should introduce a sunshine tax, everybody is so happy to see it every 3 months they'd gladly pay a tenner.

£10 x 4 x 5 million = £200million, nice little earner.

Four day's sunshine a year? You're 'avin a giraffe! How would all the gingers cope?

As a matter of fact, we've just had three blinding days in Dundee, proper sunshine... braw :D

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I've always said Scotland should go independent as soon as we have raped and pillaged them of all their oil. As the stuff is now practically worthless we should perhaps look at bringing it forward. They can fund their socialist utopia on whisky and tartan scarves exports, not with RUK subsidies.

In all seriousness I would embrace their independence if we were guaranteed even temporary reprieve from the SNP's rabble-rousing, it has moved from a mild irritant to fairly annoying.

If Scottish voters are pro-EU and Brussels then all the more reason for a quick divorce. Really had hoped the referendum would shut some people up but they just come back louder, what was the actual point of the vote given the response from those who lost it?

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Really had hoped the referendum would shut some people up but they just come back louder, what was the actual point of the vote given the response from those who lost it?

When you only just lose a referendum by a slim margin despite the opposition throwing their entire arsenal of pro union MSM, pro union state broadcaster, pro union civil service, pro union business leaders, pro union world leaders and even a pro union Wizard lady with over 60 million twatter followers, don't expect us to slink off quietly into the night!

Many in the 55% are realizing they were duped, bullied and lied too. They are sick of the absolute lies printed in the press on a daily basis and are wondering what happened to our Parliament becoming the most devolved Parliament in the World.

Hence why the 45% are now the 50%+. Once we are consistently polling at around 60% in the polls we will have another referendum and Scotland won't make the same mistake twice. We may even have a referendum sooner so long as the rest of the UK do their part by voting to leave the EU! Hopefully it is around that time that George Osborne is Prime Minister. If that is the case we cannot lose!

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When you only just lose a referendum by a slim margin despite the opposition throwing their entire arsenal of pro union MSM, pro union state broadcaster, pro union civil service, pro union business leaders, pro union world leaders and even a pro union Wizard lady with over 60 million twatter followers, don't expect us to slink off quietly into the night!

Many in the 55% are realizing they were duped, bullied and lied too. They are sick of the absolute lies printed in the press on a daily basis and are wondering what happened to our Parliament becoming the most devolved Parliament in the World.

Hence why the 45% are now the 50%+. Once we are consistently polling at around 60% in the polls we will have another referendum and Scotland won't make the same mistake twice. We may even have a referendum sooner so long as the rest of the UK do their part by voting to leave the EU! Hopefully it is around that time that George Osborne is Prime Minister. If that is the case we cannot lose!

I think you just proved SillyBillys point

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I've always said Scotland should go independent as soon as we have raped and pillaged them of all their oil. As the stuff is now practically worthless we should perhaps look at bringing it forward. They can fund their socialist utopia on whisky and tartan scarves exports, not with RUK subsidies.

In all seriousness I would embrace their independence if we were guaranteed even temporary reprieve from the SNP's rabble-rousing, it has moved from a mild irritant to fairly annoying.

If Scottish voters are pro-EU and Brussels then all the more reason for a quick divorce. Really had hoped the referendum would shut some people up but they just come back louder, what was the actual point of the vote given the response from those who lost it?

To be honest, I didn't think you'd be listening!

Apart from being a blow to the establishment, I've no idea why anyone South of the border would be interested in Scottish independence?

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I think you just proved SillyBillys point

When a football team loses in the World Cup Final, they don't just say, "Oh well. We did our best but now we may as well disband the national team and never play again".

Especially after they only lost on penalties.

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When a football team loses in the World Cup Final, they don't just say, "Oh well. We did our best but now we may as well disband the national team and never play again".

Especially after they only lost on penalties.

Wheeling out that tired old analogy doesn't cut it when you're predominantly talking to people who don't really care about Scotland or wish you would win so we can sit back and chuckle while you try and run your own country

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Wheeling out that tired old analogy doesn't cut it unless you're talking to people who don't really care about Scotland or wish you would win so we can sit back and chuckle while you try and run your own country

It's the truth. Things might have been different if NO had won with a greater majority. I think the YES side's decision not to just give up and walk away has been vindicated now that the polls are showing support for independence at slightly more than 50%.

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It's the truth. Things might have been different if NO had won with a greater majority. I think the YES side's decision not to just give up and walk away has been vindicated now that the polls are showing support for independence at slightly more than 50%.

Then go and campaign outside No.10 instead of fannying about on here

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Our elected representatives are doing a stellar job of that already.

When you say "our", I assume you mean the rUK's? They are doing far more to promote Scottish independence than the SNP MP's!

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Apart from being a blow to the establishment, I've no idea why anyone South of the border would be interested in Scottish independence?

If you truly believe that virtually nobody SOTB would wish for Scexit, then maybe the rest of the UK should have had some kind of popular say (veto?) on it in 2014.

The bit about "raping Scotland's oil" is conveniently one-sided e.g. in ignoring how Scottish towns' industrial prosperity was largely built on English coal (think "carrying coals to Newcastle") and the steelworking and shipbuilding it enabled.

Meanwhile I can think of several weighty reasons why the southern parts would be right to be apprehensive about Scexit; maybe for another post or thread?

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If you truly believe that virtually nobody SOTB would wish for Scexit, then maybe the rest of the UK should have had some kind of popular say (veto?) on it in 2014.

The bit about "raping Scotland's oil" is conveniently one-sided e.g. in ignoring how Scottish towns' industrial prosperity was largely built on English coal (think "carrying coals to Newcastle") and the steelworking and shipbuilding it enabled.

Meanwhile I can think of several weighty reasons why the southern parts would be right to be apprehensive about Scexit; maybe for another post or thread?

I didn't say they wouldn't wish for Scexit (!), I said I don't understand why they'd be interested. Scotland does make a positive financial contribution to the Treasury usually, though obviously not at the moment due to low oil prices, but in the grand scheme of UK GDP, it ain't much. Of course, without Scotland's tax income, it may be a lot more difficult to meet those loan repayments....

I honestly believe that the majority of rUK residents would hardly notice us leaving!

With regard to coal production, Scotland has always produced more coal per head of population than the rUK combined, still does as a matter of fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-pit_coal_mining_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland

The phrase "coal to Newcastle" was actually coined by a Yank, and most Newcastle coal went South to London.

http://www.britannica.com/place/Newcastle-upon-Tyne-England

Scottish shipbuilding was legendary, Scottish shipbuilders, even more so. Billy Connolly, a shipyard worker in his youth, does a great gag about the first WW2 bomber built on the Clyde. It gets over Germany, the bomb-bay doors open, and the night shift fall out!

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I didn't say they wouldn't wish for Scexit (!), I said I don't understand why they'd be interested. Scotland does make a positive financial contribution to the Treasury usually, though obviously not at the moment due to low oil prices, but in the grand scheme of UK GDP, it ain't much. Of course, without Scotland's tax income, it may be a lot more difficult to meet those loan repayments....

I honestly believe that the majority of rUK residents would hardly notice us leaving!

With regard to coal production, Scotland has always produced more coal per head of population than the rUK combined, still does as a matter of fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-pit_coal_mining_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotland

The phrase "coal to Newcastle" was actually coined by a Yank, and most Newcastle coal went South to London.

http://www.britannica.com/place/Newcastle-upon-Tyne-England

Scottish shipbuilding was legendary, Scottish shipbuilders, even more so. Billy Connolly, a shipyard worker in his youth, does a great gag about the first WW2 bomber built on the Clyde. It gets over Germany, the bomb-bay doors open, and the night shift fall out!

Thanks for the links, but in both cases I'm struggling to derive from them the conclusions you state. E.g. the coal link gives only total production in Scotland and England over 2010-2014, which now appears to be roughly equal (and therefore Scotland's per-capita output is far the higher), but of course this follows the vertiginous collapse/winding-down of English production since the Great Miners' Strike. The really curious figure to me is how Scottish production almost halved between 2012 and 2013 - what on earth was that all about?

But as I say, I can't see any reference there to how Scotland's per-capita production was historically higher.

Meanwhile the Newcastle link refers to the London trade in the 16th century, hence not relevant to the Scottish question. As it says, that trade was seaborne, and it was that which gave rise to the proverb, so hardly likely to be an anachronistic Yankee invention. During the 19th century I suppose the means of transport mainly shifted to rail?

The bigger point I'm making is that it was the industrial revolution, mainly and principally in England, which multiplied the demand for coal; and in these circumstances (and there's nothing in the link to suggest otherwise), I'd have thought London would have sooner imported from the nearer Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire pits. Otherwise what would have been left for the Lancashire mills?

But the biggest point, I think, is that as it was the initially English industrial revolution which precipitated a truly massive coal industry, and placed vast tonnage on the market, this set up favourable conditions for Scotland to partake and develop its own industries - more so than if said coal market hadn't previously existed and would have had to be set up especially for Scotland's benefit. And it is reasonable to proceed to suggest that Scotland benefited from proximity to the "workshop of the world" more quickly and fully than it would have done if still a separate nation-state.

But of course all that is history, and I wouldn't particularly refer to it for the attention of those ScotNats who confine themselves to arguing that current circumstances render independence advantageous for Scotland. It's rather for those who are inclined to slag off all 300 years including the joint industrial revolution and the empire it helped sustain.

Meanwhile since you ask why southern types would be concerned about a Scexit, I'm inclined to offer some issues, but perhaps this post is long enough already. I'm not Wonderpup :)

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