nome Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You only need to read the opening post in this thread... http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5406405 or this thread... http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5406568 or this one... http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5404878 ...to see what kind of sentiment we're still up against when it comes to most young FTBers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunobald Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 It's all about intrest rates right now and rising prices. If prices keep going up but mortgage payments are still low, then very free people are going to care about the actual cost of the house. The point at which intrest rates rise and mortgages become a expensive as they should be now then people at going to be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy soy Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Voter turnout for under 24's 2005 38% 2010 52% 2015 58% (Labour +11, Conservatives -9, Libdems -1) That looks to me like a growing interest in politics if not protest, as hard times hit. Question is - is Russel Brand the best they can do ? No. But he was hated for his views by the serious men in suits. Corbyn I would say is a symptom of the youth vote as well as disaffection with labour lurching to the right. Corbyns actually listening to younger voters regarding lack of affordable housing and bringing it up in pmqs despite cameron hiding from the bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor_Blade Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 It's all about intrest rates right now and rising prices. If prices keep going up but mortgage payments are still low, then very free people are going to care about the actual cost of the house. The point at which intrest rates rise and mortgages become a expensive as they should be now then people at going to be pissed. Low borrowing costs are blinding a lot of people to the risks of borrowing to the hilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999house Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 When prices start to fall and people stuck in negative equity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999house Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 With people in London spending 50pc of disposable income on housing, it shouldnt be too far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Low borrowing costs are blinding a lot of people to the risks of borrowing to the hilt. +1 this. I still find it amazing that we have had emergency rates for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Finding it a bit ironic that there's an ad for allsops at the top of this page I think if we are to have a revolution it should be done properly and certain tv presenters should be put in stocks One can dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynardgravy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Oh it definitely was - you only have to look at the surge in young Labour Party members to see that. As I said earlier though my money's on Corbyn being ousted for a Blairite in the next year or so. I genuinely don't think Labour MPs as a whole have realised that this isn't going to allow them to claw back lost ground from the Tories. If/when that coup happens, I hope it's a spur for under 30s to massively expand awareness of how they continue to be disenfranchised and that this results in a genuine widespread youth movement As a slightly less disenfranchised under 40 (I consider myself a reasonably lucky gen x'er) - I'll be there cheering it on all the way I think this is highly likely too. It might be the best thing, creating a split in the labour party. Rather than a spin-off corbinite party splitting the labour vote it could split the tory vote between CallMeDaves and Blairites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantnrave Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think this is highly likely too. It might be the best thing, creating a split in the labour party. Rather than a spin-off corbinite party splitting the labour vote it could split the tory vote between CallMeDaves and Blairites. I caught Bernie Sanders' speech after winning the New Hampshire Primary. He raged against the flow of wealth going to the one per cent, the demise of the country's middle class, stagnant wages, the brutal cost of studying. No wonder he has mass appeal among the young. A party leader like that could receive dramatic support in the UK. Jeremy Corbyn is not that party leader though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I worry about those bolded types; They just seem to be agitators for the sake of agitating. Can't believe they want to ban speakers at times. Some of the campaigns from social media have been appalling in aim and purpose and have made a mockery of solid action. Like searching for fame through activism. It is quite shocking the way that nominally left-leaning causes have been turned into vehemently intolerant 'movements' thanks to 'social media'. I suspect it's all part of using smoke and mirrors to stop people from discussing actual issues that really matter. I mean, why try to effect change in the banking/monetary system or out of control housing bubble when you can get irate about the massive 'issue' of transgender rights, for example. That's much more important to everyday life and the population at large. Say anything that the illiberals don't like and you will be immediately demonised and silenced. Really worrying that the supposedly 'left' have become even more nutty than the conservative right in the US, for example. But then again, that could be an offshoot of the internet culture and the way that discussion has developed into the likes of Reddit and dedicated forums. If you speak out against the prevailing winds in a forum you will get marginalised and labelled as a troll. Do it on Reddit and you'll get downvoted and your views blocked from public view. This sort of dangerous culture of shutting down opinions that you don't like seems to be spreading into the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automotive Engineer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) No. But he was hated for his views by the serious men in suits. Corbyn I would say is a symptom of the youth vote as well as disaffection with labour lurching to the right. Corbyns actually listening to younger voters regarding lack of affordable housing and bringing it up in pmqs despite cameron hiding from the bubble. Rusell is a colosal idiot. Spends 5,6,7,8 months with the same message "don't vote, they are all corrupt, revolution naow" then throws it in for the labout party at the 11th hour Edited February 11, 2016 by Automotive Engineer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is quite shocking the way that nominally left-leaning causes have been turned into vehemently intolerant 'movements' thanks to 'social media'. I suspect it's all part of using smoke and mirrors to stop people from discussing actual issues that really matter. I mean, why try to effect change in the banking/monetary system or out of control housing bubble when you can get irate about the massive 'issue' of transgender rights, for example. That's much more important to everyday life and the population at large. Say anything that the illiberals don't like and you will be immediately demonised and silenced. Really worrying that the supposedly 'left' have become even more nutty than the conservative right in the US, for example. But then again, that could be an offshoot of the internet culture and the way that discussion has developed into the likes of Reddit and dedicated forums. If you speak out against the prevailing winds in a forum you will get marginalised and labelled as a troll. Do it on Reddit and you'll get downvoted and your views blocked from public view. This sort of dangerous culture of shutting down opinions that you don't like seems to be spreading into the real world. Wow, that's a damn slight worst than getting a few troll pics on here! I'll remember never to bother visiting Reddit, it sounds completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If you speak out against the prevailing winds in a forum you will get marginalised and labelled as a troll. Do it on Reddit and you'll get downvoted and your views blocked from public view. This sort of dangerous culture of shutting down opinions that you don't like seems to be spreading into the real world. I think it's getting better online though. Back in the late 90s/early 2000s, you were a "nutter" for talking about men's rights. Now it's mainstream. I think that's down to the internet chipping away at orthodox thinking. Even just 5 years ago or so, HPC would be seen as a fringe forum full of nutters talking about conspiracy theories. Now the mainstream has slowly caught up with the idea that we're not so mad after all. Imagine the time before the internet: you were at the mercy of super-orthodox editors. FFS, if you wanted to moan about the BBC you had to get Barry Tooke reading out your letter on Points of View! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automotive Engineer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) It is quite shocking the way that nominally left-leaning causes have been turned into vehemently intolerant 'movements' thanks to 'social media'. I suspect it's all part of using smoke and mirrors to stop people from discussing actual issues that really matter. I mean, why try to effect change in the banking/monetary system or out of control housing bubble when you can get irate about the massive 'issue' of transgender rights, for example. That's much more important to everyday life and the population at large. Say anything that the illiberals don't like and you will be immediately demonised and silenced. Really worrying that the supposedly 'left' have become even more nutty than the conservative right in the US, for example. But then again, that could be an offshoot of the internet culture and the way that discussion has developed into the likes of Reddit and dedicated forums. If you speak out against the prevailing winds in a forum you will get marginalised and labelled as a troll. Do it on Reddit and you'll get downvoted and your views blocked from public view. This sort of dangerous culture of shutting down opinions that you don't like seems to be spreading into the real world. You have seen nothing. The progressives have been hijacking campaigns since the 2008 crash, most likely in the hopes of ascertaining power. See video bellow to see what happened to Occupy Wall street, a movement that originated around a protest against banking corruption. This shhit is growing and spreading, first in California, then the rest of the United States. Be warned it will eventually cross over to the UK and start infecting our society. Here is more of the madness. The phenomenon is very eloquently explained by this guy EDIT: For some reason the last video doesn't embed. Mod can you help? <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HcYYBKUv4Mc"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HcYYBKUv4Mc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Edited February 11, 2016 by Automotive Engineer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentingForever Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I went for a pizza with work colleagues last night. Us Gen-X'ers were saying we were amazed at how the Millenials weren't rioting in the streets at what was being done to them. One of them replied that he thought his generation was more 'globally connected' than ours was at the same age, so they could see that the situation elsewhere (his example - Eritrea) was much worse so they were just grateful with what they had. Shockingly passive in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think it's getting better online though. Back in the late 90s/early 2000s, you were a "nutter" for talking about men's rights. Now it's mainstream. I think that's down to the internet chipping away at orthodox thinking. Even just 5 years ago or so, HPC would be seen as a fringe forum full of nutters talking about conspiracy theories. Now the mainstream has slowly caught up with the idea that we're not so mad after all. Imagine the time before the internet: you were at the mercy of super-orthodox editors. FFS, if you wanted to moan about the BBC you had to get Barry Tooke reading out your letter on Points of View! I don't think so - in the early days of the internet (pre WWW) the most popular forum system was Usenet, a decentralised system (hundreds of servers all over the net) hosting a massive set of interest groups for the most part unmoderated. All sorts of opinions were represented and you got huge arguments developing which often produced some very well thought out debating points (as well as a lot of name calling of course). Since then, online discussion has shifted towards specialist forums like this one where let's face it, cliques develop and a set of opinions becomes the orthodoxy. Anyone consistently arguing against the orthodoxy gets labelled a troll, ostracised and often banned. Then there's social media where people compete for their opinions to be 'Like'd ... that just promotes group-think and doesn't encourage controversial, anti-orthodoxy thoughts. Reddit is even worse - a sort of hybrid between forum and social media site where you can vote for or against posts with the aggregate score determining how visible said post is to others (or even getting it hidden if it's unpopular enough). Not only that but you have an accumulated 'karma' associated with your account which encourages you to only voice popular opinions that get upvoted. Absolutely awful for promoting proper discussion yet Reddit is probably the single biggest forum for 'discussion' on the internet now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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