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Hi guys im a long time lurker on these boards, I disliked landlords immensely before this moment but its turned to rage after tonight. I need some ideas about how to deal with this situation from likeminded people.

Basically I found a flat to rent for my family back in November, and promptly handed in documentation and signed contracts to take it from tomorrow (5th of Jan 2016). After having to push the landlord to sign the contract as he was stalling for weeks on end he finally signed about 2 or 3 weeks back. I had my suspicions but now I get a mail from the agent today wanting to make a last minute amendment to the contract for the landlord to "Put a board up" (Read as sell the property). So basically the landlord must have been dithering since the autumn statement whether to sell up now.

So my plan tomorrow is that he can only put the clause in on the condition that he re-imburses me for all the costs I incurred from moving. My rationale being that he could've pre-warned me that he was thinking of taking this action which would have been a huge game changer for me. If anyone thinks this won't make a difference or has any other ideas on how to turn this situation less crappy for me and my family I'd be grateful.

As an aside, quite incredible that these landlords talk about caring about their tenants but clearly in this case, the landlord doesnt care at all about causing massive upheaval to a family with a newborn that needs some stability.

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Sounds very distressing, and depressingly run of the mill when dealing with a non-institutional landlord. I don't have a huge amount of experience but my attempts to get legal recourse against landlords left me pretty convinced I have absolutely no rights whatsoever and I'm surprised an AST needs to be modified to sell the house from under you (assuming it is an AST of course - you don't say). If it's more than 6 months I can see they might want some flexibility from you in which case you have something to bargain with ... I think it's worth a try regardless though. I also don't think they can get you out of the house easily until the end of the contract ... there were loop holes and hopefuly somebody with more experience than myself can confirm they were closed.

As another sub-citizen with no rights I wish you all the best. We're not real people because we don't own a house ... obviously.

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Hi guys im a long time lurker on these boards, I disliked landlords immensely before this moment but its turned to rage after tonight. I need some ideas about how to deal with this situation from likeminded people.

Basically I found a flat to rent for my family back in November, and promptly handed in documentation and signed contracts to take it from tomorrow (5th of Jan 2016). After having to push the landlord to sign the contract as he was stalling for weeks on end he finally signed about 2 or 3 weeks back. I had my suspicions but now I get a mail from the agent today wanting to make a last minute amendment to the contract for the landlord to "Put a board up" (Read as sell the property). So basically the landlord must have been dithering since the autumn statement whether to sell up now.

So my plan tomorrow is that he can only put the clause in on the condition that he re-imburses me for all the costs I incurred from moving. My rationale being that he could've pre-warned me that he was thinking of taking this action which would have been a huge game changer for me. If anyone thinks this won't make a difference or has any other ideas on how to turn this situation less crappy for me and my family I'd be grateful.

As an aside, quite incredible that these landlords talk about caring about their tenants but clearly in this case, the landlord doesnt care at all about causing massive upheaval to a family with a newborn that needs some stability.

Hi Roland what a crappy situation, you have my sympathy. Afraid I don't have enough knowledge of rental contracts to advise, but aren't you in the driving seat given the contract has already been signed? (Accepting that it doesn't mean much when what you really want is to stay long-term.)

What does it say in the contract is the earliest time he can give you notice? If he sells he will want you gone as soon as possible, so I would try inserting a clause saying that he has to pay you to leave early.

In your position I would bear in mind that a major annoyance will be people coming round to view the property if it goes up for sale, so I would also push hard for viewings to be limited to only one day per week or something along those lines. Agents, probably under pressure from the LL, will definitely try and weasel round that, so put it in writing.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I understand you have the right to refuse viewings as they interfere with your right to "quiet enjoyment" of the property.

Unless it's an emergency ( water leak for example ), the landlord can only enter, with your permission, for the purposes of inspection / maintenance.

They could show a surveyor round, as long as they made every reasonable effort to coordinate a time that's convenient to you, but they don't have the right to show potential buyers round your home.

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I'll start with a disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer or any kind of property specialist. However, as I understand it, you're under no obligation whatsoever to agree to any modification to a contract that has already been signed, so it's perfectly reasonable to say that you won't consent to the modification unless you're suitably compensated. However, the landlord will be able to evict you in six months if the dispute becomes heated or unresolvable, assuming you've signed a standard AST.

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Thanks for all the helpful responses guys. Had a chat with the agent this morning, although I was careful to not give him too much crap as he's a young prices out guy himself.

He claims that there is no intention to sell at all and that its "standard" in all his contracts (so why the last minute revision). So in that case my demand for a refund shouldn't bother him if I'm being given a truthful reason for this immense **** up on his part.

Seriously though screw these guys, one of my previous landlords took almost my entire deposit with overpriced charges and repair costs (broken sink that she said she would repair but never did). Think I'll be checking out tax evasion laws to see if I should call that number.

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I am also pretty certain no entry can be 'demanded' unless for emergency reasons.

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24 hour notice iirc is all that is required.

The landlord can't insist that you are out during viewings... or that you wear clothes in your own home... :) just an idea.

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You are completely within your rights not to allow any viewings or any other visitors to your home while you are renting it. The only exception would be an emergency situation.

I didn't ever go that far with my previous rentals however I always insisted that no entry would EVER be made without me being in and appointments were made to suit me - not them. If there were too many missed appointments I told them I would not allow any more viewings.

Try it - it works and it feels nice to have the upper hand when dealing with these second-hand-house-salespeople.

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24 hour notice iirc is all that is required.

The landlord can't insist that you are out during viewings... or that you wear clothes in your own home... :) just an idea.

The first part of this is incorrect (or only partly correct)

24 hour notice is required on the landlord side, however there is no obligation in law for the tenant to allow access, Our old landlord was allowed into our property twice, once to show him some damage that the neighbours had caused and secondly for the check out, that was in 3 1/2 years

Therefore feel free to tell them to sod off!

Additionally as the contract has been signed by the landlord, simply dont accept any amendments

Edited by Rozza

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Thanks for all the helpful responses guys. Had a chat with the agent this morning, although I was careful to not give him too much crap as he's a young prices out guy himself.

He claims that there is no intention to sell at all and that its "standard" in all his contracts (so why the last minute revision). So in that case my demand for a refund shouldn't bother him if I'm being given a truthful reason for this immense **** up on his part.

Seriously though screw these guys, one of my previous landlords took almost my entire deposit with overpriced charges and repair costs (broken sink that she said she would repair but never did). Think I'll be checking out tax evasion laws to see if I should call that number.

Two points

1. If it is "standard" for all contracts why wasn't it in the one you signed?

2. If he has no wish to sell why try to get it inserted post signature?

I would suggest that you don't accept the change (why would you?) - your landlord won't mind as he has no wish to sell (allegedly).

If they push the point I would suggest seeking an increase in the length of the assured part of your tenancy.

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24 hour notice iirc is all that is required.

The landlord can't insist that you are out during viewings... or that you wear clothes in your own home... :) just an idea.

A few years back here in Perth I had an obnoxious landlord who kept demanding to bring potential purchasers around (they can do with notice 1 month before the end of the tenancy)

I ensured the place was in a right state and the best bit was leaving a huge unflushed turd in the bog. I vaguely remember eating half a box of Allbran and 4 cans of Guiness to knock that beaut out the next morning :lol:

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This is like the cylinder I fitted. I hung it over some vinegar for a day or two so it lost its bright new look.

This was more in case a previous tenant had a key than to keep the landlord out.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPLACEMENT-NIGHT-LATCH-CYLINDER-DOOR-LOCK-2-KEYS-REPLACES-YALE-UNION-ETC-/351421937067?hash=item51d26135ab:g:fVQAAOSwBLlVdsLv

Replace the old bits when you leave.

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Hi Guys

Thanks for all the replies, finally got online yesterday here. As it turns out the reason for all this BS was that the estate agent totally messed up the contracts. It wouldn't be believable typically but I thought I would follow up just for a laugh as what happened was pretty shocking stuff.

1. There was a gas leak when we arrived putting my baby, wife and myself at risk! Thankfully my friendly removal guy pointed it out to me

2. We were asked to do check in at 2pm so they could do a professional clean. I got a call at 12pm on the move in day saying they couldn't do it until after we had moved in the next day (So the cleaners had to clean all around our stuff)

3. I had to argue about the unprofessionalism of the agency while the property manager kept talking over me when I tried to explain how annoyed I was. The condescending idiot proceeded to tell me that I shouldn't swear and "You have a baby" etc etc.

So thankfully in this incidence I think we might be ok, based on how shite this agent really is its a believable story that they messed the contract up. They were clearly worried that I might expose their incompetency to the landlord they act on behalf of. Anyways, I have email proof of the gas leak issue so once we move out (or if there's any dispute) this will be coming back to haunt them.

No wonder EA's are hated as much as landlords.

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^ How on Earth Lettings Agents can **** things up so much beggars belief. How many days was the property empty? Plenty of time to get professional cleaners in.

Basic errors like this are unexcusable - unless you are their first ever tenant.

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