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just Google businesses for sale in Northants and found 2 pages of chip shops for sale. totally random and totally odd.

why would this be? the economy is booming!!!

it looks like every chip shop is available!!!

something fishy is going on.

http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/Fish-and-Chip-Shops-for-sale-in-Northamptonshire

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just Google businesses for sale in Northants and found 2 pages of chip shops for sale. totally random and totally odd.

why would this be? the economy is booming!!!

it looks like every chip shop is available!!!

something fishy is going on.

http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/Fish-and-Chip-Shops-for-sale-in-Northamptonshire

Everyone can run a F+C shop.

Just like everyone can run a pub.

Except they can't - 80%+ of people are sh1t at business.

Redunancy money -> small business -> failure. 2 years typical.

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It is a very strange economy.

Almost daily I get something from an estate agent begging me to sell my house, someone begging me to sell broken jewellery for cash and a bag for clothes to give to charity.

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The only businesses that are booming in this economy are those that cater for the super rich, money no object, more money than sense type of customer... any business that's aimed at providing something for the everyday man on the street is on dodgy ground.

I live in a very working class area yet my local chippy closed down last year, meanwhile 100 yards up the road there's a restaurant that started off as a cafe but has evolved into selling the most pretentious, over priced nouvelle cuisine I've ever seen... and it's going from strength to strength with customers coming from miles away (not locals)

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Fish and chip shops have probably got a better chance than a conventional restaurant. Conveyer belt production and only limited space required. As for restaurants, a great way for wealthy public sectors boomers to part with some of their previous gains by playing at being Gordon Ramsay.

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Chippies seem to be doing fine where I am in Nottingham, even had quite a large new one open recently. However it does strike me that even the most incompetent cook can easily slam oven chips and some of Findus' finest in the oven for less than half the price of the chippie. So in areas hit by recession I'd expect them to take a hit.

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Odd there's only 2 in Manchester and 5 in Oldham.

But it's fish and chips and tbh there's not a huge number of them round here.
But pizza, chicken, curry, etc there's millions.

Not huge numbers of other takeaways for sale but more.

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Chinese chip shops seem to stick around. They cater for those who want something cheap, but can level up if you want a Chinese take away for £15.

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http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/fish-and-chip-shop-in-northamptonshire-for-sale.aspxThis one might look interesting, depending on the lease length. If you're going to open a Chippy, I would make sure you can pull up outside with a car, double yellows you can get away with it. Forget home delivery, who delivers fish and chips? The margins aren't great enough.

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Everyone can run a F+C shop.

Just like everyone can run a pub.

Except they can't - 80%+ of people are sh1t at business.

Redunancy money -> small business -> failure. 2 years typical.

You need to be able to cook for one. There was a nice one in our local shops, the old couple had run it for years. Every day queues outside. They retired and sold up, the shop now has no queues as the food is now crap, and I presume is only staying in business due to tax credits.

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You need to be able to cook for one. There was a nice one in our local shops, the old couple had run it for years. Every day queues outside. They retired and sold up, the shop now has no queues as the food is now crap, and I presume is only staying in business due to tax credits.

The one on Brunswick street (M13) was excellent - they are replacing the row of shops though and he's not been offered a new unit. Maybe chips are too lower class for the financial cleansing in progress,

Queues every time I've ever been.

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Why is it Fish and Chips and not Chips and Fish?

.....because in some places you get all chip and no fish, other places you get all fish and little chip. ;)

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Fish & chips aren't exactly trendy at the moment, da yoof seem to prefer McD's, KFC & the like - so I reckon they're a bit of a declining market ATM, that may be a contributory factor.

Over & above that, my guess is that the living fish & chip shops provide isn't that great - same as most small businesses TBH. While I'd agree with the point that most people overestimate their ability to run a business, even those that do hopelessly underestimate the amount of work needed to make a go of a small business. Unless you're incredibly lucky and/or talented the odds are you'll never make anywhere as good a living as you could by being a regular employee and I'd guess a lot of people realise that the hard way - especially if they've still got a mortgage to pay and/or have borrowed money to get started, and realistically that's going to be most people. Self employment can easily degenerate into a game that isn't worth winning.

There was a chippy near me, a very good one, up for sale recently. It supposedly had a turnover of £75,000 pa @ 50% GP (EA quoted figures, not always the best start!!). On that basis the GP would be circa £37.5000pa. However:

The business was leasehold - rent circa £8.500 pa

Assume insurance - circa £500-£1,000 pa

Assume electric/gas to be circa £2-3,000 pa

Repairs/maintenance - circa £1-£2,000 pa

Consumables (cooking oil, trays, paper, etc) - circa £1,000 pa

Accountancy costs - circa £1-2,000 pa

Council Tax/Business rates circa £1,000 pa (there was a flat with the business

And probably a fair few other running costs.

After that, its not a vast NP to pay the 2-3 people realistically needed to run it.

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The only businesses that are booming in this economy are those that cater for the super rich, money no object, more money than sense type of customer... any business that's aimed at providing something for the everyday man on the street is on dodgy ground.

I live in a very working class area yet my local chippy closed down last year, meanwhile 100 yards up the road there's a restaurant that started off as a cafe but has evolved into selling the most pretentious, over priced nouvelle cuisine I've ever seen... and it's going from strength to strength with customers coming from miles away (not locals)

Im in north Dorset and agree wholly with this.

Nearly every job ad in the local Blackmore Vale rag is to serve as some sort of skivvy to the plethora of private schools in the area.

They even ran one ad looking for a shooting tutor!

The chip shop fella near me has been here 20 years and is constantly talking of jacking it in.

I also know one or two people in the pub trade, and again, the proprietors will happily chuck out a party of 4 pensioners to cater for the local hoorays in the shooting party.

Which consists of many a celeb. I heard a story about Lord ****** the other day. He's so ******ing fat, he couldn't even walk to his peg, (where they stand to atomise a semi tame pheasant at 30 yards)

He had to be driven there in the Discovery.

I can almost hear the cap doffing from 20 miles away.

We are rocketing backwards to Victoriana.

Dorset's great if you've got some wedge, a boring shithole otherwise. :lol:

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The weird thing i always find with takeaway joints is, the crapper they are, the more popular they are. Obviously it's at least partly to do with the price, but most of them seem to sell virtually inedible food, and anywhere that does serve actual edible fare closes down within a couple of years, even when they're reasonably priced.

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Chippy near me has started closing on Monday evenings. Chippy recovery anyone

No recovery when having to work seven days a week just to survive.......all the best chippies work a long good five days....one day family cleaning, shopping catch-up day and one day of rest...... ;)

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Traditionally a good chippy would be closed on a Monday, as you don't get fresh fish deliveries that day... of course it tends to be frozen anyway but it made a valid excuse. I know the tapas bars in Madrid that specialise in sea food still have Monday as their "staff restday"

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Fish and chips shops are the same as small cafes, coffee shops it looks like easy work but isn't.

Close to me the little cafe which was brilliant served nice food at reasonable prices was sold to new owners in June, it is now closed. I asked the ladies who used to own it why they were selling, they were quite upfront it is very hard work for not much reward.

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just Google businesses for sale in Northants and found 2 pages of chip shops for sale. totally random and totally odd.

why would this be? the economy is booming!!!

it looks like every chip shop is available!!!

something fishy is going on.

http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/Fish-and-Chip-Shops-for-sale-in-Northamptonshire

There but for the crates of Cod go I.

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Just make sure you have a Van, call it street food, and make sure you Pop up. You will make a killing, even selling fish and chips.

I've heard from industry players that Pop up offerings actually make either no money or very little indeed.

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The reason fish and chips are up for sale and have been closing for years is that they are simply out of fashion with the public.

There is loads of choice in fast food whereas 30 years ago there wasn't. The quality in my experience is often not very good which has quickened their decline. It's also has an image problem as being a bit old fashioned / boring.

The restuarant / take away market has moved on, unfortunately many fish and chips owners haven't - they kept serving poor quality food to a consumer who's wants variety.

Simple economics 101, nothing more nothing less.

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The reason fish and chips are up for sale and have been closing for years is that they are simply out of fashion with the public.

There is loads of choice in fast food whereas 30 years ago there wasn't. The quality in my experience is often not very good which has quickened their decline. It's also has an image problem as being a bit old fashioned / boring.

The restuarant / take away market has moved on, unfortunately many fish and chips owners haven't - they kept serving poor quality food to a consumer who's wants variety.

Simple economics 101, nothing more nothing less.

My grandad ran a f+C shop from 1950s->1970s.

He moved about - York, Scabby + Whitby.

I used to talk to him about it - mainly as he let me take apart his old mechanical cashregisters.

You have to turn F+C over quickly - the fish dries out if its left too. The chips will too.

A range is expensive to heat up just for a scattering of diners.

He never did dinner (thats lunch to southerners), fired (literally, his first ranges were coal) up at 3pm for a 4.40 opening, ran til 9pm, than ran off the fish and chips for pub kick out.

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