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Sdsr Strategic Defence Review 23/11/15

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The Sunday Times is reporting Osborne is to announce tomorrow that the UK is to purchase 138 F35's Joint Strike Fighters.

Also mentioned by Osborne on the Andrew Marr show.

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Despite no money left it's rearmament as France has said (repeatedly) that it's now at war and Germany has said about a world war. Osborne could go down in history as the modern Winston Churchill.

Those awesome speeches. Osborne might do similar tomorrow with his very own inspirational You shall fight on the beaches speech

Amazing stuff.

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There must still be enough space to accommodate all 138 and whatever other purchases are being planned. Presumably all the air fields haven't been already sold off for housing or in the pipeline to do so. What's going to happen to noise levels with more low flying warplanes - maybe they're mostly going to be held overseas.

An opportunity for more call centre telephone calls about a new government scheme for free (UK taxpayer paid) soundproofing of UK people's tiny UK homes.

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There's some changes afoot at the moment.

I think there's going to be a drastic spin on resources.

Tank + infantry will be decimated.

Drones, inttiligence and special forces will be vastly increased - thats paras + commandos up.

Helicopters icnreased.

RAF and Navy lashed.

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RAF and Navy lashed.

The RN (already is) reduced to the carriers and running the nuclear deterrent. I can't see the carriers or deterrent successor programmes being tweaked too much as it's pretty binary.

The RAF, OTOH - what is the point of the RAF?

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The RN (already is) reduced to the carriers and running the nuclear deterrent. I can't see the carriers or deterrent successor programmes being tweaked too much as it's pretty binary.

The RAF, OTOH - what is the point of the RAF?

Bombing stuff.

Moving stuff around.

Flying drones.

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And you expected it to gain?

SNP do not want military. It would make sense to pull the bulk of it south of the Border.

My scots grandfather would have gone nts at this.

Well they put all the Shipbuilding in Scotland when they closed Portsmouth (where i worked)

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Reports in the times of Navy being cut.

Not sure what more they could lose.

Worth remembering that a batch of money was spent on Navy modernisation from 2000-2010, but it's still pretty small.

Maybe they will mothball the landing docks and cut HMS Ocean, and scale back the Global Combat Ship.

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Not sure what more they could lose.

Worth remembering that a batch of money was spent on Navy modernisation from 2000-2010, but it's still pretty small.

Maybe they will mothball the landing docks and cut HMS Ocean, and scale back the Global Combat Ship.

There are reports in the Sunday Times it has a paywall though. Edited by workingpoor

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Curtailing new orders?

New orders for what ?

The only new stuff coming along is GCS and trident.

The irony is that the Tories seem to be commited to 2% of GDP spend on military as per Nato. But trident is probably going to take up a significant part of this, and it is largely useless in Nato terms.

I think we should consider going back to plane dropped nuclear bombs.

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Excellent so we are committed to buying a plane that still doesn't work. Money well spent.

2023?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34893614

Britain is to speed up the purchase of new fighter jets to step up its "aircraft carrier punch" Chancellor George Osborne says, as the government prepares to outline defence spending.

The move will be part of Monday's Strategic Defence and Security Review.

It means the UK will have 24 F35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft available on its two new aircraft carriers by 2023.

Mr Osborne told the BBC it would put the UK second only to the US in carrier aircraft capability.

Analysis: What will be in the defence review?

"We are gong to step up the aircraft carrier punch of the United Kingdom. We are going to make sure that when these aircraft carriers are available, they are going to have planes that can fly from them in force," he said.

"By 2023, we will be able to have these jets - some of the most powerful in the world - the F35, on the decks of these carriers and Britain, second only to the United States, will be able to project power abroad in order to defend ourselves at home."

The government had proposed to have only eight of the US-built fighters available for deployment to the new carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales in that timeframe.

The 18 others on order will be used in the training fleet or in maintenance, according to the Sunday Times.

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If there's going to be an imminent world war then 2023 sounds far too late. Mind you by then the UK will likely be getting towards being the wealthiest country in the world (according to Osborne before the election) so warplane money should be no object by then.

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Bombing stuff.

Moving stuff around.

Flying drones.

The Army does drones and moves a lot stuff around already.

The bulk "moving around" of men and materiel is, of course, outsourced to the private sector (air transport, air evac, and in-flight refuelling are all in one contract).

I don't see a bright future for manned aircraft dropping iron bombs, you know. It'll all be drones and missiles.

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2023?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34893614

"By 2023, we will be able to have these jets - some of the most powerful in the world - the F35, on the decks of these carriers and Britain, second only to the United States, will be able to project power abroad in order to defend ourselves at home."

The government had proposed to have only eight of the US-built fighters available for deployment to the new carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales in that timeframe.

The 18 others on order will be used in the training fleet or in maintenance, according to the Sunday Times.

WTF???? 4 planes on each carrier isn't going to "project" much power.

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The Army does drones and moves a lot stuff around already.

The bulk "moving around" of men and materiel is, of course, outsourced to the private sector (air transport, air evac, and in-flight refuelling are all in one contract).

I don't see a bright future for manned aircraft dropping iron bombs, you know. It'll all be drones and missiles.

I think Skampton of whatever near the Fens in RAF.

Manned combat aircraft are too expensive and too limited - all due to having a warm body in the seat.

Get shot of the body and aircrafts become a lot more useful.

Close air support, with a pilot, is the only promsing area in the RAF but they have ignore that as it was not flashy enough.

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