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Got busted by the feds (as the yoof say) yesterday running a stop sign. It's on a particularly craptastic bit of road layout. You have a side road with a slip road off a 3 lane urban motorway. The stop sign is on the side road to let people coming off the motorway have priority. It is dangerous as just beyond the slip are traffic lights where only 3 cars can wait at a time, so someone can potentially block the slip so the stop sign makes some sense in this case as opposed to a give way.

Ok I was trundling along, a bronze toyota came off the motorway and I slowed down to let it pass, there were no cars stopped at the lights so plenty of room to queue and no-one else on the motorway as far as the horizon so I made a rolling stop (as the Americans call it). :D

Just beyond the stop a police car hidden in the bushes, they screech out with sirens and wave me over, a couple of police get out.

Police: "In a hurry are we?"

"No not really"

Police: "Didn't see the stop sign?"

"Er yes I did"

Police: "So are you denying that you drove through it?"

"No, I slowed down for the car, once he had cleared I carried on past at walking pace, but yeah, you got me bang to rights on this one"

at this the short policeman went a bit mad

Police: "Slowed down, you were well over the speed limit and the car had to swerve out of the way, bloody irresponsible, you nearly caused a major pileup, imagine if a bus had been coming down the slip road afterwards and was unable to stop? There could have been dozens of people killed thanks to your actions. I'm thinking of booking you for dangerous driving".

Now they say never to argue with the police but this really pissed me off

"That's not how I saw the situation. yes I ran the stop but at walking pace, the car was already up the road by the time I crossed the white line"

Police: "look I'm telling you, the car missed you in-extremis"

"Is that Latin?"

Police: "What?"

Have you got this on video?

Police: "No we don't have video"

"Ah well let's take a look at my dash cam footage" I show them this on my smartphone and it has road speed, and it is as I described. The second policeman tells me to get back in my car. They go over my documents, check the tires on my car then call somewhere. After about 10 minutes the other policeman comes over and hands me my documents. "We've decided not to book you for the stop sign but be careful in future".

and that's it. I'm still bewildered why they didn't want to issue a ticket for the stop sign. This was in France btw.

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Got busted by the feds (as the yoof say) yesterday running a stop sign. It's on a particularly craptastic bit of road layout. You have a side road with a slip road off a 3 lane urban motorway. The stop sign is on the side road to let people coming off the motorway have priority. It is dangerous as just beyond the slip are traffic lights where only 3 cars can wait at a time, so someone can potentially block the slip so the stop sign makes some sense in this case as opposed to a give way.

Ok I was trundling along, a bronze toyota came off the motorway and I slowed down to let it pass, there were no cars stopped at the lights so plenty of room to queue and no-one else on the motorway as far as the horizon so I made a rolling stop (as the Americans call it). :D

Just beyond the stop a police car hidden in the bushes, they screech out with sirens and wave me over, a couple of police get out.

Police: "In a hurry are we?"

"No not really"

Police: "Didn't see the stop sign?"

"Er yes I did"

Police: "So are you denying that you drove through it?"

"No, I slowed down for the car, once he had cleared I carried on past at walking pace, but yeah, you got me bang to rights on this one"

at this the short policeman went a bit mad

Police: "Slowed down, you were well over the speed limit and the car had to swerve out of the way, bloody irresponsible, you nearly caused a major pileup, imagine if a bus had been coming down the slip road afterwards and was unable to stop? There could have been dozens of people killed thanks to your actions. I'm thinking of booking you for dangerous driving".

Now they say never to argue with the police but this really pissed me off

"That's not how I saw the situation. yes I ran the stop but at walking pace, the car was already up the road by the time I crossed the white line"

Police: "look I'm telling you, the car missed you in-extremis"

"Is that Latin?"

Police: "What?"

Have you got this on video?

Police: "No we don't have video"

"Ah well let's take a look at my dash cam footage" I show them this on my smartphone and it has road speed, and it is as I described. The second policeman tells me to get back in my car. They go over my documents, check the tires on my car then call somewhere. After about 10 minutes the other policeman comes over and hands me my documents. "We've decided not to book you for the stop sign but be careful in future".

and that's it. I'm still bewildered why they didn't want to issue a ticket for the stop sign. This was in France btw.

In France, oh well, what's the big deal then?

Perhaps some anti English sentiment showing its head then?

Or just small man power tripping?

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It's probably best to be polite with "foreign" police. Especially ones with guns!

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Depends where you are! Sometimes a bribe will solve all, but don't try that in USA. :huh:

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A friend turned off the deserted A30 (dual carriageway through Devon & Cornwall) one dark Sunday evening, with the only car in sight being a long way behind him.

So he didn't indicate, who would, as there was nobody that it would benefit.

Whereupon said car put their foot down, raced to catch him up and turned out to be a police car. He admitted not indicating but politely pointed out that there was no-one to indicate to. They grudgingly let him off. Clearly they didn't want to report null results for that quiet shift so were prepared to do anybody for anything however minor.

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A friend turned off the deserted A30 (dual carriageway through Devon & Cornwall) one dark Sunday evening, with the only car in sight being a long way behind him.

So he didn't indicate, who would, as there was nobody that it would benefit.

Whereupon said car put their foot down, raced to catch him up and turned out to be a police car. He admitted not indicating but politely pointed out that there was no-one to indicate to. They grudgingly let him off. Clearly they didn't want to report null results for that quiet shift so were prepared to do anybody for anything however minor.

Surely 'null results' would be the ultimate indication of effective policing.

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A friend turned off the deserted A30 (dual carriageway through Devon & Cornwall) one dark Sunday evening, with the only car in sight being a long way behind him.

So he didn't indicate, who would, as there was nobody that it would benefit.

Whereupon said car put their foot down, raced to catch him up and turned out to be a police car. He admitted not indicating but politely pointed out that there was no-one to indicate to. They grudgingly let him off. Clearly they didn't want to report null results for that quiet shift so were prepared to do anybody for anything however minor.

Sounds sensible to me! They don't want the paperwork!

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Got busted by the feds (as the yoof say) yesterday running a stop sign. It's on a particularly craptastic bit of road layout. You have a side road with a slip road off a 3 lane urban motorway. The stop sign is on the side road to let people coming off the motorway have priority. It is dangerous as just beyond the slip are traffic lights where only 3 cars can wait at a time, so someone can potentially block the slip so the stop sign makes some sense in this case as opposed to a give way.

Ok I was trundling along, a bronze toyota came off the motorway and I slowed down to let it pass, there were no cars stopped at the lights so plenty of room to queue and no-one else on the motorway as far as the horizon so I made a rolling stop (as the Americans call it). :D

Just beyond the stop a police car hidden in the bushes, they screech out with sirens and wave me over, a couple of police get out.

Police: "In a hurry are we?"

"No not really"

Police: "Didn't see the stop sign?"

"Er yes I did"

Police: "So are you denying that you drove through it?"

"No, I slowed down for the car, once he had cleared I carried on past at walking pace, but yeah, you got me bang to rights on this one"

at this the short policeman went a bit mad

Police: "Slowed down, you were well over the speed limit and the car had to swerve out of the way, bloody irresponsible, you nearly caused a major pileup, imagine if a bus had been coming down the slip road afterwards and was unable to stop? There could have been dozens of people killed thanks to your actions. I'm thinking of booking you for dangerous driving".

Now they say never to argue with the police but this really pissed me off

"That's not how I saw the situation. yes I ran the stop but at walking pace, the car was already up the road by the time I crossed the white line"

Police: "look I'm telling you, the car missed you in-extremis"

"Is that Latin?"

Police: "What?"

Have you got this on video?

Police: "No we don't have video"

"Ah well let's take a look at my dash cam footage" I show them this on my smartphone and it has road speed, and it is as I described. The second policeman tells me to get back in my car. They go over my documents, check the tires on my car then call somewhere. After about 10 minutes the other policeman comes over and hands me my documents. "We've decided not to book you for the stop sign but be careful in future".

and that's it. I'm still bewildered why they didn't want to issue a ticket for the stop sign. This was in France btw.

I insist that you retell this anecdote, properly, in Franglais.

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I insist that you retell this anecdote, properly, in Franglais.

You merdey geezer. Chacun a son goat! :wacko:

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You get my goat!

Go on! Have a laugh! :wacko:

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Bogans and Hoons are native tribes in Australia, and it is not PC to bang them up! You have to "appreciate" their "culture". :wacko:

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I am pretty certain that there is a crime against hairdos going on underneath that blurring.

I'm sure that at some point before the end of humanity there will be a country which implements a real fashion police to prevent such crimes.

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My brother was pulled over by the police once. He used to be quite into magic, in the performing sense of tricks, rather than believing in it as any kind of genuine supernatural event.

They asked him to open the boot. As this was my brother I can guarantee that it would have been full of crap. The policewoman pulled out a black and white stick and waved it at him.

"What's this?"

"It's a magic wand."

Oh, to have been there.

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I lent an on old Granada I had to my brother many years ago so he could take it on holiday. Part of the deal was he would respray it.

He didn't respray it he brush painted it with household gloss he got out of Woolworths terrible job but as it was an old banger I wasn't too bothered. The original colour was red and it was now painted blue.

Fast forward a couple of Months to Xmas time and the local plod pulled me coming out of Sainsbury's car park. Reason given was the colour was not as described on the PNC. Had a cursory look round the car then to my horror asked to look in the boot. My brother had left a mate of his unlicensed shotgun in there. I knew it was there and was waiting for him to come and get it. I had dismantled it and put the parts in a couple of black bin liners. It wasn't a powerful weapon took a 9mm shell more like a garden gun really but it fell under the description of firearm.

The officer had a look round the boot and prodded a couple of items with his stick. Luckily my shopping (and a couple of cases of beer) was stacked on top of the bin liners, I could just see the end of the barrel sticking out under the shopping bags. He made a comment about the beer, told me to get the colour description changed at DVLA and sent me on my way.

I was extra,extra polite that day......

Brother got a huge bollocking and collected said article later that day......

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I was extra,extra polite that day......

Brother got a huge bollocking and collected said article later that day......

Hmm, that's up there with Mark's magic wand! :blink:

People carry some odd items in cars!

Was stopped as a student, with about nine people in the car. Was a big car, and in the days before compulsory seatbelts!

Some people were bonged of their heads, but I was driving, so not as bad. What's in the trunk? A kettle. When I opened it, the plod saw one kettle.

I thought they were rather good, as they could have found something else. But my passengers were well behaved, although rather jolly. :blink:

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One of the Confessions on the SImon Mayo drivetime R2 show a few months ago was from somebody who had a job at Bristol Zoo and was delivering animals (back in the 1970s IIRC, before a lot of rules came in) to another zoo somewhere IIRC on the east coast.

When stopped by the police for going too fast in the (unliveried) van he replied quite truthfully something along the lines of: "two alpacas, a warthog, and a young leopard officer".

When he was able to deomnstrate this to be true he got a police escort the rest of the way.

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I can't find the article on the net any more, but IIRC (for the benefit of the libel laws, this is simply what I recall): Richard Fairbrass of Right Said Fred was pulled over in London - speeding, I think.

When they realised who he was, they said he could go.

He was incensed at this, and how simply being famous enables you to drive with impunity and that the law should apply to everyone. And said so.

So they gave him a ticket.

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I've been pulled over a few times over the years for various minor infractions. Grovelling has always done the business, I recommend it!

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I've been pulled over a few times over the years for various minor infractions. Grovelling has always done the business, I recommend it!

I don't think "grovelling" works, or you will be buying tickets to the "Policeman's Ball". Politeness does work, in the UK and abroad. Ex GF lived in Canada for a while and had use of an old Chevrolet. Saw the 85 speed limit and decided to drive at 85. But Canada is Metric, and the car speedo was in miles. The RCMP let her off for being British and polite!

I can't think when I was last "pulled over". Doesn't seem to happen much now. Plod can check your licence plate, and know whether you are insured/taxed/MOT etc.

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