The Knimbies who say No Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 What's the original risk that is increasing by 18%? If it's a very small risk then even a substantial increase is probably not with worrying about. It's a classic press thing to present figures like this, so they can quote a high sounding percentage figure of risk that makes everything sound much more sensational. http://dilbert.com/strip/2008-04-19 If anything the press were stating the 18% risk without mentioning the cumulative effect, in the bulletins I heard anyway. Hence why I posted the link, an 18% increase per 50g cumulative seems like a lot and you could substantially affect your chances of diagnosis. The cancers they talk about are fairly common types of the disease, in the 5 types most commonly diagnosed from what I gather and the second largest cause of cancer death in the UK. Something like a 1 in 14 lifetime risk of diagnosis for men in the UK and 1 in 19 risk for women are numbers I have found: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/bowel-cancer/incidence#heading-Four US data says about 1 in 20 lifetime risk which is similar: http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/colorect.html When it all comes out in the wash with the treatment options etc it translates into around 15,000 deaths in the UK annually. Not worth worrying about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If anything the press were stating the 18% risk without mentioning the cumulative effect, in the bulletins I heard anyway. Hence why I posted the link, an 18% increase per 50g cumulative seems like a lot and you could substantially affect your chances of diagnosis. The cancers they talk about are fairly common types of the disease, in the 5 types most commonly diagnosed from what I gather and the second largest cause of cancer death in the UK. Something like a 1 in 14 lifetime risk of diagnosis for men in the UK and 1 in 19 risk for women are numbers I have found: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/bowel-cancer/incidence#heading-Four US data says about 1 in 20 lifetime risk which is similar: http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/colorect.html When it all comes out in the wash with the treatment options etc it translates into around 15,000 deaths in the UK annually. Not worth worrying about? Well I'm not worrying about it. I haven't eaten meat for 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 When it all comes out in the wash with the treatment options etc it translates into around 15,000 deaths in the UK annually. Not worth worrying about?Can't say I'm going to worry about getting cancer. I do worry about the wider implications on an increasingly scared, over-cautious society though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendy Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 http://newsthump.com/2015/10/26/joy-of-bacon-sandwich-overrides-cancer-risk-says-everyone/ Joy of bacon sandwich overrides cancer risk, says everyone Nobody gives a flying ****** as to whether bacon causes cancer or not. The World Health Organisation (WHO) today announced that bacon and other processed meats are carcinogenic, and added them to the same list as alcohol, cigarettes and anything else that might bring you a snippet of joy in this otherwise cruel and desolate world. The general public has reacted by suggesting the WHO might want to shove their findings up their ****. “Do one,” ordered Simon Williams, a normal human and therefore massive fan of bacon. “Everything gives you cancer these days – I mean it doesn’t, obviously, or we’d all have cancer right now. But you get what I mean.” “Bacon could rise up as a sentient being, murder my family and insult my football team and I would still say that I loved it.” “I like my bacon the same way I like women: stacked five high and covered in butter.” “I would sooner a short life filled with bacon and happiness than a long life of misery caused by lentils.” “****** cancer and ****** the WHO- the organisation, not the band; unless the band has a problem with bacon, in which case ****** them too.” “BACON.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Many a true word spoken in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail the Tripod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 http://newsthump.com/2015/10/26/joy-of-bacon-sandwich-overrides-cancer-risk-says-everyone/ Thank you, that was perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeholder Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If the health police are trying to take bacon away from me they will find me with my gun at my shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Bacon Bacon Bacon! Bacon for Jews. Bacon for Islam. Bacon for vegetarians! Bacon for all! I think I could become President with such policies. Crispy bacon with ketchup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Without ploughing back did the WHO actually come up with the nonsense about it being so bad, or was their press release a lot more nuanced and not actually overstating the risk with the media then pouncing on it and exaggerating it to make it into a good outrage story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendy Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Without ploughing back did the WHO actually come up with the nonsense about it being so bad, or was their press release a lot more nuanced and not actually overstating the risk with the media then pouncing on it and exaggerating it to make it into a good outrage story? The latter IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The latter IIRC. Thank you bendy. That was my guess but picking it out from the sea of news coverage proved impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 These gubmint pronouncements are so meaningless and arbitrary, especially when their simplistic, asinine message is only vaguely meaningful even if they then clearly quantify what a 'portion' is. not really. it's in the bible, and it doesn't speak at all kindly of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?smid=tw-share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notMyName Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I read somwhere that it,s the oxygen we breath which gradually ages/kills us. Lets ban breathing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Unless you're allergic to it, and you like it, eat it. I like sugar and red meat (nicely marbled, the flavour is mostly in the fat) so I eat a lot of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Unless you're allergic to it, and you like it, eat it. I like sugar and red meat (nicely marbled, the flavour is mostly in the fat) so I eat a lot of both. I agree - up to a point. However it's the potential gradual damaging process that seems to be difficult for many to appreciate. We accept it for alchohol, nicotine, sugar [diabetes] etc.. However for any other foodstuffs the attitude seems to be - well I eat it and it's never done me harm so it must be fine. I really do think there are plenty of things we are eating today that are gradually making us ill. However I don't know what they are so I shall continue to eat like a pig !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 not really. it's in the bible, and it doesn't speak at all kindly of them Isn't there something about eating animals with cleft feet? Where does one stand regarding cameltoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 on ones knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Yes, though oddly it is cakes which are zero rated essentials and biscuits that are luxury items. After Marie Antoinette, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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