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Samsung To Make Robots Even 'cheaper Than Any Human Worker'

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"Robots to make goods and services that nobody can afford to buy since nobody has a job".

Of course the rich could transform society and make everyone a bit more equal and help people to have more leisure time, less stress etc but knowing that 99% of the people in power are socio/psychopaths, they will never do anything to make society more equal. We must worship Big Brother etc.

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If society can't cope with the means of providing what they need without people actually having to do the job then it doesn't deserve to survive. The converse of this is when there's no labour shortage yet jobs people don't mind doing get automated, that's equally pointless and stupid (why spend a load of effort and resources making a machine when there are people hanging around who would happily do the same job?)

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It will fail because who is going to buy the robot produced goods?

Who's buying them now? It's no different from any other machinery and automation. We still buy food despite agriculture only needing a very small number of people to produce it all, we buy cars despite robots doing a lot of the work there etc. Then go around trying to invent yet more pointless resource consuming non-jobs and cheering our "progress".

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We haven't automated all the jobs yet have we? If we have then I didn't notice.... being at work all the time. It's my work that pays the robots to make the cars. Not theirs.

When it comes, the companies that adopt to it first they will make a fortune, then the others will join and then we will all be out of work!

There's nothing wrong with that, but we don't have any system for unpaid humans to participate in or for robots to work when people don't have jobs to pay them.

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The robots?

Yes - everyone else seems to get them.

And will they get disability allowances if a fuse blows ?

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deflation.

Robots will have little impact on raw material costs.

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We haven't automated all the jobs yet have we? If we have then I didn't notice.... being at work all the time. It's my work that pays the robots to make the cars. Not theirs.

Of course we haven't but we have automated an awful lot of them, and of those we haven't often we've got machines that mean one person can do the job of many. It doesn't have to be 100% for the point to stand.

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The 1%* regard us as existing purely for their benefit. If we can be repalced by robots, we will just be 'useless eaters' and of no further utility to them. Then there just needs to be enough robots & raw materials and energy to keep the 1%. The rest of us can get stuffed.

Unless at some point the means of production is siezed from the mill owners, metaphorically speaking.

* a somewhat arbitrary figure

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Of course we haven't but we have automated an awful lot of them, and of those we haven't often we've got machines that mean one person can do the job of many. It doesn't have to be 100% for the point to stand.

get rid of the internal combustion engine...put billions out of work, destroys local jobs.

Oh noes, one of the largest suppliers of wealth creation in the last 100 years..

Robots dont make themselves dontchaknow

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The 1%* regard us as existing purely for their benefit. If we can be repalced by robots, we will just be 'useless eaters' and of no further utility to them. Then there just needs to be enough robots & raw materials and energy to keep the 1%. The rest of us can get stuffed.

Unless at some point the means of production is siezed from the mill owners, metaphorically speaking.

* a somewhat arbitrary figure

The more efficient imprisonment becomes, the more prisoners we'll have.

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Was a show on last night following car manufacturing live as it happened. The number of robots at the mini plant was incredible - over 1000 - however even these needed a team of people to constantly check and maintain them.

Interestingly - the most efficient plant was the Nissan one - and they relied mainly on people to do the work.

We're not quite at the RoboCop stage yet.

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They might if they are mining the raw materials.

They pretty much are. Mining (and quarrying) is another industry that's become huge scale and very highly automated (or at least mechanised to the point of not needing to employ many people). What would've been a large mine employing lots of people probably even just 50 years ago would be too small to be economic now, and if it wasn't might employ half a dozen. And be worked out in a couple of years instead of decades or centuries.

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get rid of the internal combustion engine...put billions out of work, destroys local jobs.

Oh noes, one of the largest suppliers of wealth creation in the last 100 years..

Robots dont make themselves dontchaknow

What local jobs? All of that's made things ever more centralised. "Put billions out of work", right... ("billions" even existing is a huge problem itself, and the less technology you have the easier it is to find jobs for people, the upsides of it aren't job creation) As for "wealth creation" that's become the top phrase for "complete and utter nonsense".

Are you sure that robots don't make themselves?

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What local jobs? All of that's made things ever more centralised. "Put billions out of work", right... ("billions" even existing is a huge problem itself, and the less technology you have the easier it is to find jobs for people, the upsides of it aren't job creation) As for "wealth creation" that's become the top phrase for "complete and utter nonsense".

Are you sure that robots don't make themselves?

sorry, just a reaction to the reaction to robots in the real world.

things change.

Id be more worried about the local world filling with Mosques and Sharia adherants

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sorry, just a reaction to the reaction to robots in the real world.

things change.

Id be more worried about the local world filling with Mosques and Sharia adherants

Things change, doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with disliking them or realising that some of them don't actually benefit us in the way people seem to think. Use the robots for those jobs no-one wants to do and keep people to do the rest, my problem is that there's no actual judgment involved, we pretend that we have to be at the mercy of our own creations and use them regardless.

The cultural issue doesn't bother me as much, I can see that exploding and resolving itself (albeit messily) sooner or later. In the meantime it's yet another case of "things change."

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I'm pretty sure there are production line robots made by other identical production line robots. Also pretty sure there are production line robots where neighbouring robots carry out the service work on each other.

Bit awkward on that BBC Mini factory show that the guy who worked there came across as a better communicator than James May.

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Imagine you are a sociopath, who has gained great wealth through unpleasant means. You own vast resources; mineral, land, manufacturing, etc.

Your personality compels you to accumlate ever increasing power and wealth. Up until now, you have seen ordinary people as means to this end, working for you, while you sieze the lion's share of their work.

But these people consume resources, and also own some of the remaining resources you compulsively want.

Robots provide an alternative means of production. They can provide you with much of what you need. You are not concerned about robots providing ordinary people with what they need, because at best you are disinterested in their needs, and see their elimination as being a means to release their resources to you and halt their consumption.

What would you do?

How may mill or pit owners were altruistic?

How useful is war to you in eliminating many mouths that need feeding, while consolidationg your wealth and power?

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Imagine you are a sociopath, who has gained great wealth through unpleasant means. You own vast resources; mineral, land, manufacturing, etc.

Your personality compels you to accumlate ever increasing power and wealth. Up until now, you have seen ordinary people as means to this end, working for you, while you sieze the lion's share of their work.

But these people consume resources, and also own some of the remaining resources you compulsively want.

Robots provide an alternative means of production. They can provide you with much of what you need. You are not concerned about robots providing ordinary people with what they need, because at best you are disinterested in their needs, and see their elimination as being a means to release their resources to you and halt their consumption.

What would you do?

How may mill or pit owners were altruistic?

How useful is war to you in eliminating many mouths that need feeding, while consolidationg your wealth and power?

I think Wonderpup has hacked Mr Renting's log in.

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