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Does seem to me that the call from the West for a ceasefire is rather bizarre. you know like we would have called a ceasefire 400 yards from Hitler's bunker.

Without Putin's input basically ISIS would probably control a good swathe of the middle East by now. One wonders if indeed psychotic cage burning medieval maniacs that want to take over the world  are preferable  for politicians and the BBC than Assad.

 

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The Ultimate In Irony: Syrian Army Rolls Into Idlib With US Weapons Captured From ISIS The Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) Tiger Forces arrived in northern Hama this week with a big surprise from their

The Palmyra thing is a bit odd. First of all how do ISIS roam around a desert without let or hindrance without being spotted and blitzed by Russian or Syrian aircraft? Al Nusra seem to be able to operate tanks around Aleppo too; you would imagine they would be easy to spot and take out.

 

So Palmyra - ISIS have obviously recovered a lot of fighters withdrawn from Iraq to bolster their numbers. They attack, the SAA retreats leaving manpads (according to Turkey), a variety of tanks and other weaponry including air defense systems. Now why did the Syrian army have manpads in Palmyra? Against whom? ISIS doesn't exactly have an airforce. It could be Turkish lies or was Russia leaving a cash of weapons that ISIS can use against the Turks in the north? If that is the case why has ISIS pressed the attack on the T4 Airbase after getting the gear they needed.

Or have the US supplied ISIS with Manpads and are Turkey using this as an excuse as to how they got into ISIS hands?

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Excellent to see the liberation of Aleppo finally at hand. 

The vast majority left in the city at this point are ISIS fanatics and can be dealt with summarily. I have little sympathy for the so-called moderates. They have had months and months to leave of their own accord and instead have chosen to side with ISIS and other terrorist groups, thereby making them terrorists themselves.

Once Aleppo is clear of the vermin, the Government can move on to hopefully secure the remaining most useful bits of the country.

 

 

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Rebel counter attack to the North of Aleppo.

Judging by some of the photos coming out of Palmyra it looks like a bit of a rout for the Russian forces who left things like Mastercards scattered on the ground of their base in their hurry to bug-out. This seems to play more into the narrative of Mosul forces redeployed to Syria - but surely the Russian's (who always see 12 moves ahead) had anticipated that?

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Finally, the Russians are finishing the job. Lots of terrorists will die shortly and the liberation of Aleppo will be complete.

 

Russia halts evacuation of East Aleppo and announces 'liquidation' of remaining resistance

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/16/aleppo-evacuations-suspended-evacuation-disagreements/

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Aleppo is free of terrorists.

The Syrian regime says it has taken full control of Aleppo, state-run media announced Thursday, marking a major turning point in the country's five-year civil war.

Government forces and their allies now control eastern Aleppo, ending more than four years of rebel rule there. CNN
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Putin staring at his assassinated ambassador's corpse

Interesting symbolism in this picture, and it would make a great oil painting in the style of a Grand Master.

The more I look at it, this really is a great picture. Could well be of historical significance.

 

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9 hours ago, rollover said:

Aleppo is free of terrorists.

The Syrian regime says it has taken full control of Aleppo, state-run media announced Thursday, marking a major turning point in the country's five-year civil war.

Government forces and their allies now control eastern Aleppo, ending more than four years of rebel rule there. CNN

I was interested to see French TV news had sent a journalist into east Aleppo where he spoke to some of the locals (no they were not all evacuated as the BBC would have you believe). He was surprised to find that the locals were happy to see the back of the rebels who had made their lives hell. The BBC carried the French TV pictures yesterday but cut the interviews with the locals and instead implied that all the locals had gone. The Beeb then cut to Bana the Tweeting 7 year old, neither she or her mother were able to speak English close to the level in her tweets - so obviously someone else was behind the whole thing.

 

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Former UK ambassador to Syria accuses Foreign Office of lying about the country's civil war

Peter Ford said the department led by Boris Johnson has judged Syria wrong 'every step of the way'. The ex-British Ambassador to Syria has accused the Foreign Office of lying over the country’s civil war and said British policy there has "made the situation worse". Mr Ford, who was Britain's ambassador to Syria from 1999 to 2003, claimed that the UK had misread and misrepresented the situation in the country since the start of the conflict. "But then they told us that the opposition was dominated by these so-called moderates. That proved not to be the case and now they're telling us another big lie – that Assad can’t control the rest of the country. Well I’ve got news for them – he’s well on the way to doing so."

"We have made the situation worse." He added: "It was eminently foreseeable to anyone who was not intoxicated with wishful thinking." Independent

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Former UK ambassador to Syria accuses Foreign Office of lying about the country's civil war

Peter Ford said the department led by Boris Johnson has judged Syria wrong 'every step of the way'. The ex-British Ambassador to Syria has accused the Foreign Office of lying over the country’s civil war and said British policy there has "made the situation worse". Mr Ford, who was Britain's ambassador to Syria from 1999 to 2003, claimed that the UK had misread and misrepresented the situation in the country since the start of the conflict. "But then they told us that the opposition was dominated by these so-called moderates. That proved not to be the case and now they're telling us another big lie – that Assad can’t control the rest of the country. Well I’ve got news for them – he’s well on the way to doing so."

"We have made the situation worse." He added: "It was eminently foreseeable to anyone who was not intoxicated with wishful thinking." Independent

You missed the best bit:

Mr Ford said that when the conflict started the UK should have either "put everything, including our own forces on to the battlefield, or if in our judgement – as it would have been my judgement – that was not realistic, refrain from encouraging the opposition to mount a doomed campaign."

To have considered for a moment sending UK soldiers into battle, shows that even the ex ambassador hasn't got a clue. I guess he has no relations in the armed forces.

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To have considered for a moment sending UK soldiers into battle, shows that even the ex ambassador hasn't got a clue. I guess he has no relations in the armed forces.

You failed to understand what he said -

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– as it would have been my judgement – that was not realistic

 

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RAF preparing for major offensive against ISIS to crush Syrian terror ‘capital’ Raqqa

British bombers are preparing to take the fight to Islamic State deep inside the ‘caliphate’ in Syria next year, in a significant shift in focus that could decisively tip the balance of the war against the jihadi group. Increased activity in the skies above Syria comes with increased risks as it will see RAF bombers come head-to-head with Russian jets. One British military source told the Telegraph: “We will be stepping up the training for Syrian Democratic Forces and we will also see a real step up in the air support for Raqqa from across the Coalition. Express

 

Training Syrian Democratic Forces by USA, UK and coalition during the last five years prolonged the conflict and made it worse.
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Training Syrian Democratic Forces by USA, UK and coalition during the last five years prolonged the conflict and made it worse.

Are the SDF the heart eating islamonutjobs, or some other group of terrorists?

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Are the SDF the heart eating islamonutjobs, or some other group of terrorists?

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Abu Sakkrar, a Syrian rebel fighter, whose actions provoked an outcry when he was filmed eating body parts of a government soldier, has told the BBC he HAD to do it - to terrify and humiliate his enemies. Abu Sakkar is the leader of the al-Farouq Brigade -- a group of opposition fighters, who stand accused of atrocities against civilians. The BBC's correspondent Paul Wood tracked down Abu Sakkar in northern Syria close to the Turkish border . A warning that this report does contain very disturbing images and content. 

 

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Russia calls U.S. move to better arm Syrian rebels a 'hostile act'

Russia said on Tuesday that a U.S. decision to ease restrictions on arming Syrian rebels had opened the way for deliveries of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, a move it said would directly threaten Russian forces in Syria. "Washington has placed its bets on supplying military aid to anti-government forces who don’t differ than much from blood thirsty head choppers. Now, the possibility of supplying them with weapons, including mobile anti-aircraft complexes, has been written into this new bill," Zakharova said in a statement.

"In the administration of B. Obama they must understand that any weapons handed over will quickly end up in the hands of jihadists," she added, saying that perhaps that was what the White House was counting on happening.

Zakharova accused the Obama administration of trying to "put a mine" under the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump by attempting to get it to continue what she called Washington's "anti-Russian line." Reuters

 

The move will only prolong the conflict and move it onto the next stormy phase.

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Erdogan says he has evidence US-led coalition has given support to Isis

The Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says he has uncovered evidence that US-led coalition forces have helped support terrorists in Syria – including Isis. “They were accusing us of supporting Daesh [Islamic State],” he told a press conference, according to Reuters. “Now they give support to terrorist groups including Daesh, YPG, PYD. It's very clear. We have confirmed evidence, with pictures, photos and videos.” Independent

 

 

Would you believe it? What is going on?

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More than 2,000 Saudis fight for militant organisations, says interior ministry

'Saudis in the Islamic State (Isis) are fewer than what most of us would imagine,' says general. “The number of Saudis proven to be in conflict areas is 2,093.” A total of 1,540 are thought to be fighting in Syria and others are in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. General Mansour al-Turki said 73 Saudis had been arrested abroad for “terror-related activities” but played down how many had joined Isis.  "According to our statistics, Saudis in the Islamic State (Isis) are fewer than what most of us would imagine." Independent

 

 

1,540 in Syria is more than enough. But it could be more than the official Saudi's numbers.

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Assad is a nasty tyrant. zBut hes a secular one.

There might have been a secular movement agajnst him initially  but it was overwhemled by Sunni extremists. Just as most mivements in the ME end up.

The BBC have been played like loons. The smbassador wss right - stay out. It was a civil war where the least worst was in charge.

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