RentaBear Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06bnbpx Heard this on the radio last night - the director of the IFS discussing where all the HB money goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Mostly into LLs' pockets, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 ..again a benefit to UK employers foreign or otherwise underpaying employees while piling in profits at the expense of the tax payer....time to adjust ...the piper needs to be paid ...who is going to pay....?....surely no longer the taxpayer supporting employers who pay little or no taxes here ...this is theft ...make them pay a decent wage or shut them down.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It's the ante required to keep people's delusions about their property values alive. A hundred quid a month for every house in the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Interesting that this BBC programme comes out at about the same time a Cameron has decided the govt must go back into house building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Two central points vis a vis housing benefit 1. Cited by David Willetts, who was one of the political architects at the time, in the 1980s there was an ideological shift in the Thatcher government away from public house building. He said this was a mistake 2. Across the political spectrum, people interviewed on this programme, including Willetts, said the govt have to aim to build more houses, even directly by the public sector Edited September 22, 2015 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damik Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Why do we have to pay £30/40 billions of housing benefit per year from our taxes??? If we can build 2bed flats on free state/council land for about £30k total costs??? Including London close to M25. Is there anybody who can start a public debate on this ridiculous topic ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipllman Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Quite a bit of it goes to Rolex More seriously. I don't like housing benefit or the fact that the UK is in a situation where it needs it. I don't think even Thatcher herself would like this outcome from the ideological shift that she led. I don't know the way out of it either. Building more public sector / not for profit homes would do it, but where does the money for that come from - remember, the UK is skint and getting skinter. And what happens with more public sector homes - do we just start the spiral down into sink estates and properties that don't get looked after by tenants / councils again? Then what? Sell them to owners who will have more of a stake in looking after them etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snugglybear Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Quite a bit of it goes to Rolex More seriously. I don't like housing benefit or the fact that the UK is in a situation where it needs it. I don't think even Thatcher herself would like this outcome from the ideological shift that she led. I don't know the way out of it either. Building more public sector / not for profit homes would do it, but where does the money for that come from - remember, the UK is skint and getting skinter. And what happens with more public sector homes - do we just start the spiral down into sink estates and properties that don't get looked after by tenants / councils again? Then what? Sell them to owners who will have more of a stake in looking after them etc. I'm presuming the etc. consists of what has happened with RTB up until now - 1) the new owners selling the house on* as soon as the rules allowed, making a profit 2) the new owners losing the house because they couldn't keep up the repayments / had MEWed and couldn't keep up the repayments / were scammed, and the creditors who took the house selling the house on* * very often to landlords who take tenants on LHA, neither of whom have much interest in looking after the properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipllman Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I'm presuming the etc. consists of what has happened with RTB up until now - 1) the new owners selling the house on* as soon as the rules allowed, making a profit 2) the new owners losing the house because they couldn't keep up the repayments / had MEWed and couldn't keep up the repayments / were scammed, and the creditors who took the house selling the house on* * very often to landlords who take tenants on LHA, neither of whom have much interest in looking after the properties. pretty much that you would always have to allow for a proportion of properties that were subject to an unexpected / undesired outcome and, if you are going to judge someone as responsible enough to buy a house, then you have to judge them responsible enough to do with it as they choose once the ownership has passed to them but selling off publicly owned housing without replacing it in line with properly managed demand is, surely, just a recipe for disaster somewhere down the line isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Frankly the only part of this estate that doesn't get taken care of is the road through ..worse than a farm track. May be up north is different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_northshore_* Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Three mention of 'landlords'. Have to assume I just listened to a group of swerving professional liars because the tenant & IFS can't be the only ones who get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I heard some of this and heard that if you stop housing benefit, there would be a housing shortage. Then I turned the radio off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I heard some of this and heard that if you stop housing benefit, there would be a housing shortage. Then I turned the radio off. it was more balanced than that, I suspect you just got unlucky - David Willetts even suggested you get rid of housing benefits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnumerate Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 but selling off publicly owned housing without replacing it in line with properly managed demand is, surely, just a recipe for disaster somewhere down the line isn't it? Why? The owners don't destroy housing. The problem is that housing benefit creates demand (particularly when people can get off a plane and get it) and the planning system stops the demand being met. Mostly into LLs' pockets, isn't it? It also benefits tenants who get it. If someone gave me unlimited food benefit Waitrose would benefit because I would shop there instead of Sainsburys/Tesco. However so would I as I would have the best of everything and not Sainsbury's cheapest available. It harms the people who pay it, it sometimes harms people working part time as they have a benefit trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Building more public sector / not for profit homes would do it, but where does the money for that come from - remember, the UK is skint and getting skinter. Future savings on housing benefit? I suppose that would involve forward thinking on the part of the government though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Housing benefit should be abolished and the money into a single benefit. Universal credit I thought was meant to achieve this but IDS has screwed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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