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When you think about it - it has to go BANG!

But with a fast rail link coming, and central London being 45mins away it might just stay as a seaside commuter town, with no need for families and all the social services. And City workers will continue to pay a premium to stay there.

*takes off Devil's Advocate cloak*

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But with a fast rail link coming, and central London being 45mins away it might just stay as a seaside commuter town, with no need for families and all the social services. And City workers will continue to pay a premium to stay there.

*takes off Devil's Advocate cloak*

ha ha I commute from Brighton to London each day and the 45min train journey is a myth invented by EAs one of the problems in Brighton is not just daft house prices but some of the worst wages in the south both public and private sector I would earn 55% less in brighton than london (i work for a bank) which is just mind boggling

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a seaside commuter town, with no need for families

Do commuters not have families then? :rolleyes:

City workers will continue to pay a premium to stay there.

This argument would apply in Notting Hill or St Johns Wood or Chelsea or Docklands. But Brighton???

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ha ha I commute from Brighton to London each day and the 45min train journey is a myth invented by EAs one of the problems in Brighton is not just daft house prices but some of the worst wages in the south both public and private sector I would earn 55% less in brighton than london (i work for a bank) which is just mind boggling

I have to go up to London occasionally with my work and its a nightmare- I met someone who is on the train for 4 hours a day- people just get fed up of it!

Brighton has always been a commuter town to some extent- its not a recent phenomenon- people forget that prices soared here during the last boom and then Brighton was very very badly affected by the following recession. It has massive amounts of benefit claimants and social problems.

Its become a shiny, trendy place in recent years with thousands of new flats etc etc but the shine is starting to come off as businesses close and unemployment rises- it will be interesting to see what happens here in the next few years. (though I will be joining the mass exodus before then!)

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Do commuters not have families then? :rolleyes:

This argument would apply in Notting Hill or St Johns Wood or Chelsea or Docklands. But Brighton???

the trains from Brighton to London Bridge are packed every morning with city workers (including me) it may sound unbelievable but its true - a crazy example of how mad and expensive brighton is I pay 20p more in brighton for a latte in Pret than I do in Pret in Canary Wharf !!! but employers incl Legal & General, HSBC, American Express would like to pay me approx £14,000 on that money I couldn't afford the Latte never mind buy a property

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the trains from Brighton to London Bridge are packed every morning with city workers (including me) it may sound unbelievable but its true - a crazy example of how mad and expensive brighton is I pay 20p more in brighton for a latte in Pret than I do in Pret in Canary Wharf !!! but employers incl Legal & General, HSBC, American Express would like to pay me approx £14,000 on that money I couldn't afford the Latte never mind buy a property

I know this has probably been discussed to death before but at the end of the day, if local people cant afford to live in Brighton- then what does it become?-

a commuter town with no community and no people to actually work in the local area to serve people who want a latte in Pret etc etc- the town would collapse as it has done in the past.

If the only way to afford to live there is to commute to london, its going to end up a pretty grim place to be!

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I know this has probably been discussed to death before but at the end of the day, if local people cant afford to live in Brighton- then what does it become?-

a commuter town with no community and no people to actually work in the local area to serve people who want a latte in Pret etc etc- the town would collapse as it has done in the past.

If the only way to afford to live there is to commute to london, its going to end up a pretty grim place to be!

Oh I agree with you I would love to live and work in Brighton but I can't simple as that - I was using the Pret example to show how crazy the whole situation is - however in some respects it is in our own hands large companies with huge profits are exploiting people there by paying cr*p wages so we have no choice but commute renting in Brighton is expensive as well and at 42 I don't want to share with 3 students to keep the bills down, its time people there said I not working for nothing and maybe if companies could no longer fill jobs with skilled people they would rethink there slave wages

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It already is quite a grim place to be. I've lived various places around Brighton and in the last few years, it's got remarkably expensive and violent. Especially (and I know Brighton people will back me up here) on the buses. What's up with that? Why do bunches of 12 year old kids decide to drink, swear, and shout on the top of buses? Is this a new national phenomenon or just restricted to Brighton?

Another moan... Pubs that were pleasant places to sit and chat like the Victory are now so expensive (about £3 a pint? For flip's sake!) I'm up north at the moment and drinks are about £2.40. What is it with the loud music in pubs too? I remember going into pubs along the Western Road like the Freemasons or Coopers' Cask and having a friendly chat but over the last five years the music has become so distracting. *Thump*Thump* music! Everyone I know thinks the same, so who are the pub landlords aiming for? Presumably not people like us or our friends.

We have to walk to Hove or Hanover for a nice drink nowadays.

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It already is quite a grim place to be. I've lived various places around Brighton and in the last few years, it's got remarkably expensive and violent. Especially (and I know Brighton people will back me up here) on the buses. What's up with that? Why do bunches of 12 year old kids decide to drink, swear, and shout on the top of buses? Is this a new national phenomenon or just restricted to Brighton?

Another moan... Pubs that were pleasant places to sit and chat like the Victory are now so expensive (about £3 a pint? For flip's sake!) I'm up north at the moment and drinks are about £2.40. What is it with the loud music in pubs too? I remember going into pubs along the Western Road like the Freemasons or Coopers' Cask and having a friendly chat but over the last five years the music has become so distracting. *Thump*Thump* music! Everyone I know thinks the same, so who are the pub landlords aiming for? Presumably not people like us or our friends.

We have to walk to Hove or Hanover for a nice drink nowadays.

I really agree with you, especially about the buses! I use the buses a lot and there is pretty much always a local pi*shead on there- its bizarre!

The pubs have been the victim of trendy wine bar syndrome- Brighton has wanted to be this trendy place with all these bars to reflect that at the expense of all the traditional boozers with real atmosphere- now the places are sooo expensive, no-one can afford a night out there anymore! (unless you want to drink in wether-sh*te!)

Its all going to go horribly wrong and is just beginning- 2 big restaurants in town have closed in the last month (jim thompsons on the seafront and Quod on north street)- I think more will follow!

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I really agree with you, especially about the buses! I use the buses a lot and there is pretty much always a local pi*shead on there- its bizarre!

The pubs have been the victim of trendy wine bar syndrome- Brighton has wanted to be this trendy place with all these bars to reflect that at the expense of all the traditional boozers with real atmosphere- now the places are sooo expensive, no-one can afford a night out there anymore! (unless you want to drink in wether-sh*te!)

Its all going to go horribly wrong and is just beginning- 2 big restaurants in town have closed in the last month (jim thompsons on the seafront and Quod on north street)- I think more will follow!

In fairness Jim Thompson and Quod was terrible restaurants which is why they closed both building have been bought and Quod is opening as an Italian and JT as another bar - except for salaries brighton is no better or no worse than any other part of the UK

Edited by *sparkle*

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The article says that families will leave Brighton. But the house price multiples are much like that (or worse) anywhere between Brighton and Cambridge, Ramsgate and Bristol.

Where are they going to exodus to? France, Croatia?

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The article says that families will leave Brighton. But the house price multiples are much like that (or worse) anywhere between Brighton and Cambridge, Ramsgate and Bristol.

Where are they going to exodus to? France, Croatia?

Lots of people have moved further along the coast to places like Hastings where they have sold their expensive properties in Brighton and "downgraded" to cheaper property

When these people finally realise that towns like Hastings are the "end of the line/road" and do not offer the lifestyles they have become accustomed to, then i fear that REALITY will start to rear its ugly head.

Where they go after that........... I've no idea

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I know this has probably been discussed to death before but at the end of the day, if local people cant afford to live in Brighton- then what does it become?-

I think you could say this about dozens of small cities and towns right across the UK currently. This is one of the VERY negative affects of this HP bubble.

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It already is quite a grim place to be. I've lived various places around Brighton and in the last few years, it's got remarkably expensive and violent. Especially (and I know Brighton people will back me up here) on the buses. What's up with that? Why do bunches of 12 year old kids decide to drink, swear, and shout on the top of buses? Is this a new national phenomenon or just restricted to Brighton?

Violence is increasing in society because there is a culture of "no respect for others" taking a hold. Masses of PS/XBox games are violence based, thus desensitizing the players and promoting a "to be agressive is acceptable" culture in society.

It's not a problem restricted to Brighton, the youth have been brought up in a have it, want it now culture. Basically spoilt by their parents, latch key kids brought by parents that quite frankley cannot cut it. Heaven knows what it will be like when todays youth are spawning this countries future.

My advice to anybody with children or thinking of having children, emigrate to France, Italy, Spain and the likes while your young, places were family life is valued.

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If you look at the number of solicitors specialising in criminal law in the Brighton/Hove area it supports the idea that crime is a growing problem.

That houses are 8.3 times income means just one thing: the false perception that the area is a good place to live will vanish and then comes the crash.

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Another moan... Pubs that were pleasant places to sit and chat like the Victory are now so expensive (about £3 a pint? For flip's sake!) I'm up north at the moment and drinks are about £2.40. What is it with the loud music in pubs too? I remember going into pubs along the Western Road like the Freemasons or Coopers' Cask and having a friendly chat but over the last five years the music has become so distracting. *Thump*Thump* music! Everyone I know thinks the same, so who are the pub landlords aiming for? Presumably not people like us or our friends.

We have to walk to Hove or Hanover for a nice drink nowadays.

Two fairly central pubs which are both cheap and atmospheric are the Evening Star and The Prince Albert.

But I agree many pubs think that laminating the floor and putting house music on justifies doubling the price of drinks.

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and having a friendly chat but over the last five years the music has become so distracting. *Thump*Thump* music! Everyone I know thinks the same, so who are the pub landlords aiming for? Presumably not people like us or our friends.

We have to walk to Hove or Hanover for a nice drink nowadays.

It's one of those mysterious things....everyone finds it excruciating but no-one has the courage to complain for fear of being thought uncool. And I'm a musician! I HATE music in pubs that drowns out conversation. Mindless idiotic rock musak.

Tell the landlord to turn it off....watch the incredulous faces, get your coat and leave.

As for Brighton: semi-cultural town hangs on to cache by a small thread. Ruining itself by pretending to be trendy thereby attracting trendy wannabees but relies on brief festival and university to justify mutton dressed as lamb. As for the "sea": go to Cornwall.

Typical UK: Hype. I'd rather live in Bexhill with a clutch of dowagers. And don't even get me started on the traffic.

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My closest friends from growing up.. 10 of us..

two now live in Devon.

Myself and another friend.

Both of us left to build up professional experience and returned.

Very few decent jobs.. Pathetic wages.. and massive.. truly massive house prices.

There is nothing here for the young. nothing at all.

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Violence is increasing in society because there is a culture of "no respect for others" taking a hold.

exactly. no respect for anything other than minging housing rental portfolios or flip over property profits.

thats whats caused the boom.

so dont even try to blame anyone else but your selfish generation of btls.

you reap what you sow.

treat the young as disposable rent slaves and their hardly going to come and watch you play housey for the nex 20-30 years.

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As for Brighton: semi-cultural town hangs on to cache by a small thread. Ruining itself by pretending to be trendy thereby attracting trendy wannabees but relies on brief festival and university to justify mutton dressed as lamb. As for the "sea": go to Cornwall.

Actually at this point I feel I must stick up for Brighton - it doesn't have a brief festival it has the biggest Arts festival in the UK for almost a month in May and then has the Paramount Comedy Festival in October it doesn't try to be trendy - it is -that why it costs so much to live there. There is no more and probably a lot less crime there than anywhere else in the UK and except for the pathetic wages it is actually a wonderful place to live - an to be honest people who live in Brighton wish that the daytrippers would go to cornwall on a bank holiday weekend instead of coming to brighton

Edited by *sparkle*

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As for Brighton: semi-cultural town hangs on to cache by a small thread. Ruining itself by pretending to be trendy thereby attracting trendy wannabees but relies on brief festival and university to justify mutton dressed as lamb. As for the "sea": go to Cornwall.

Actually at this point I feel I must stick up for Brighton - it doesn't have a brief festival it has the biggest Arts festival in the UK for almost a month in May and then has the Paramount Comedy Festival in October it doesn't try to be trendy - it is -that why it costs so much to live there. There is no more and probably a lot less crime there than anywhere else in the UK and except for the pathetic wages it is actually a wonderful place to live - an to be honest people who live in Brighton wish that the daytrippers would go to cornwall on a bank holiday weekend instead of coming to brighton

Do you mean 'Englands' biggest arts festival as I believe Edinburgh is uk's largest.

I spent some time in Brighton 1.5 years ago. I found a greater polarisation of rich & poor than most places. Historically, when I lived there from 1985-91, it was known to have higher than average amounts of criminals, mentally ill folks & a massive drugs scene/ problem.

In that year & a half, I knew a guy for 20 years who became a BTL multi-millionaire in last 3-4 years. I had to blank him after I saw him turning into a ruthless, money obsessed psyco-monster. Shame for a creative guy. He remains one of my personal anecdotes for this horrible bubble. I feel for those trying to make a living in such a seasonal place with far too many shops & not enough housing.

I loved living there in 1988-9, but we had Carl Cox & Adamski djing at house parties & raves on the impromtu seafront spits with Oakenfold :) true smiley.

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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Thinking of leaving London for the very same reason. But where do you go? I thought people moved to Brighton in the first place because it was cheap.

Compared to London, it is, a bit. And it was worth living there before it was overrun with Londoners, resulting in much of Brighton's unique atmosphere disappearing up the backside of rather too many bars and boutiques.

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