Corbyn And Khan Are The Final Nail In The Coffin

[suntory]

So he wants a peaceful humanitarian solution to the problems in the Middle East (nothing wrong with that) and in particular the areas being run by people who throw gays off the top of buildings, cut peoples' head off and sell girls into slavery. I think he is being naive if he thinks you can have a reasonable debate with these people who have such a warped view of the Koran and seem to have one aim. Still I am sure he will be off to Syria to meet with them and get discussions moving towards a peaceful solution.

Are you talking about Saudi Arabia? You know, America's biggest ally in the region.

[suntory]

I do have a bit of a problem with Corbyn. I think of myself as left wing. But I want a leader that wants to make Britain a better place not the world a better place. It's up to other countries to follow our lead.

If the world was full of decent people like Corbyn it would work. However evolution works on survival of the fittest and I think that will raise it's ugly head.

One way of making the world a better place is not to bomb the shit out of every country that vaguely steps out of line with the doctrines of neoliberal capitalism.

[Guest_growlers_*]

Yay, politics is interesting again.

Can't wait for pmq.

If I were corbyn, I'd hit hard on housing.

Throw new labour under a bus and admit past failure, thrn specifically link help to buy and fund for lending to Osborne and show it has caused high prices. Also, show terrible construction record. All the evidence is there. An open goal.

When the bubble pops (over next 2 years?) Osborne will be its owner.

Edited September 13, 2015 by growlers

[vin rouge]

I wonder if Corbyn will finally be able to pressure Chillcot to publish his report?

[porca misèria]

The NHS is about the most efficient healthcare provider in the world.

The words of someone with no (substantial) experience of the reality.

[WideAsleep]

The fact Corbyn is labour leader is potentially a huge problem for the Tories. Whether he wins the next general election or not is irrelevant.

Does anyone remember the run up to the last election? It was give away after give away promised by the Tories just to win those last few votes, against the two least popular party leaders in recent history, Clegg and Milliband.

Imagine the next election, where we have Corbyn promising the biggest deficit spending spree in recent history (due to his ignorance or disregard for the consequences), promising to renationalise the railways, promising to go on a mass house building spree, promising 'peoples QE' (again not realising or not caring for the consequences). All of these things will need to be addressed by the the other parties, who will have to align some of their own policies in an attempt to keep/win votes. It is the one thing you can count on.

[suntory]

The words of someone with no (substantial) experience of the reality.

BuyToLeech is right though. The NHS is one of the worlds most cost efficient and economic health care systems in the world. Compared to healthcare costs in the US or across most of Europe, the NHS budget is a mere fraction. Yes, it is a big budget but that is only relative to the huge amount of people it serves.

[Maursh]

Imagine the next election, where we have Corbyn promising the biggest deficit spending spree in recent history (due to his ignorance or disregard for the consequences), promising to renationalise the railways, promising to go on a mass house building spree, promising 'peoples QE' (again not realising or not caring for the consequences). All of these things will need to be addressed by the the other parties, who will have to align some of their own policies in an attempt to keep/win votes. It is the one thing you can count on.

".and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

[WideAsleep]

".and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

You cant just accuse socialists of spending other peoples money. The Tories have spent all of my children's and my unborn grandchildren money in the last 5 years by doubling the national debt. We are still running a deficit are we not?

You should change it to 'Government's always run out of other peoples money'. Government's who are always trying to buy votes through deficit spending. That is why Corbyn is a problem for them. He is promising to spend us into oblivion and if he gains popularity, the other parties will have to align their own position to win or keep votes. Democracy has the annoying characteristic of making them all as bad as each other.

[olliegog]

lots of new leftleaning posters coming out of the woodwork - interesting to see the other side of political opinion. will Jerry make any difference to the majority of the British population ? - doubt it as there are too many champagne socialists who will not allow him to.

[Saving For a Space Ship]

Troll

Am I mising something ? are you replying to your own post, calling yourself a troll ?

[Bruce Banner]

You cant just accuse socialists of spending other peoples money. The Tories have spent all of my children's and my unborn grandchildren money in the last 5 years by doubling the national debt. We are still running a deficit are we not?

You should change it to 'Government's always run out of other peoples money'. Government's who are always trying to buy votes through deficit spending. That is why Corbyn is a problem for them. He is promising to spend us into oblivion and if he gains popularity, the other parties will have to align their own position to win or keep votes. Democracy has the annoying characteristic of making them all as bad as each other.

You couldn't get a fag paper between the current Conservative leadership and NuLabour, Cameron is the true heir to Blair.

[Guest]

I think NHS has derailed this discussion a little bit. Stay focused guys, otherwise we won't talk about what really matters ;-)

If Corbyn introduces rent controls with the help of the major, then we will see capital flight from property as it will send legitimate, agent based PRS short of customers as they can no longer scam hapless tenants.

I would like to see letting agent fees incorporated into rents. Corbyn recently sent an email about asking for suggestions for PMQs. I do not approve of all of his policies but housing and income inequality, if addressed, would solve a huge number of problems in the UK. I mentioned income inequality in my reply but forgot to mention housing.

[evetsm]

"On the one hand, I deploresocialism in all it's forms. But.......... I also deplore the rent seeking, toff, lookdown their noses, never done a days work in their lives, Bullingdon club, let them eat cake, 300 quid a day expenses British establishment." - suntory

neither of them are free market capitalist. one's patently socialist the other fascist. The fascist uses govt power to entrench corporate monopolies to extract rents.

people have been presented with a false choice, as usual.

[suntory]

"On the one hand, I deploresocialism in all it's forms. But.......... I also deplore the rent seeking, toff, lookdown their noses, never done a days work in their lives, Bullingdon club, let them eat cake, 300 quid a day expenses British establishment." - suntory

neither of them are free market capitalist. one's patently socialist the other fascist. The fascist uses govt power to entrench corporate monopolies to extract rents.

people have been presented with a false choice, as usual.

You quoted the wrong person there. 'T wasn't me.

[porca misèria]

BuyToLeech is right though. The NHS is one of the worlds most cost efficient and economic health care systems in the world. Compared to healthcare costs in the US or across most of Europe, the NHS budget is a mere fraction. Yes, it is a big budget but that is only relative to the huge amount of people it serves.

The easiest way to get healthcare costs down is to deny healthcare to two thirds of those who really need it. You don't have cancer (until you're dead, whoops). We'll operate urgently on you the week after next .... [3 months later] the week after next .... [3 months later] ... sorry, it's progressed and you're now inoperable.

No wonder the NHS publishes figures that look good.

[Guest_northshore_*]

".and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

Contrasted, as RK would say, with [capitalists] ending up with everyone else's money?

Just perhaps this whole notional left/right thing is nonsense.

[BorrowToLeech]

"On the one hand, I deploresocialism in all it's forms. But.......... I also deplore the rent seeking, toff, lookdown their noses, never done a days work in their lives, Bullingdon club, let them eat cake, 300 quid a day expenses British establishment." - suntory

neither of them are free market capitalist. one's patently socialist the other fascist. The fascist uses govt power to entrench corporate monopolies to extract rents.

people have been presented with a false choice, as usual.

Conservatives aren't free market capitalists, traditionally or in practice.

Hayek wrote a great essay on this, which I have posted before.

People forget that Margaret Thatcher changed the Tories by dumping traditional Conservatism just as much as Blair changed labour by dumping socialism.

Cameron and Osbrown are much more like traditional conservatives, but I think the Tory split manifests within individuals whereas labours split is about different people with different ideas.

[long time lurking]

SNP are the ones that need to really worry Corbyn`s back to the roots politics will have great appeal to the Scottish

[rollover]

Yay, politics is interesting again.

Can't wait for pmq.

Cameron has called the Labour 'A Security Threat' after left-wing Jeremy Corbyn was elected as leader. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-corbyns-labour-security-threat-091113840.html#cgggR3t

[porca misèria]

Cameron has called the Labour 'A Security Threat' after left-wing Jeremy Corbyn was elected as leader. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-corbyns-labour-security-threat-091113840.html#cgggR3t

Heh. Sounds like Cameron may be intent on blowing it.

Cameron could just have graciously congratulated Corbyn and steered firmly clear of controversies like "security threat". After all, there are enough people on Corbyn's own team, and neutrals, saying things like that.

Tories (and SNP, maybe even libdems) could now run an entire election campaign without saying anything negative other than by quoting (senior) Labour members. What a gift to squander by shooting his mouth off!

[stormymonday_2011]

SNP are the ones that need to really worry Corbyn`s back to the roots politics will have great appeal to the Scottish

I doubt it.

The SNPs key to success is the fact they concentrate on the issue of how power is acquired and wielded in the UK by a London dominated political elite (of which Corbyn is an associate member albeit on the far left) .

The fact that many Scots even to the right of centre think this process operates to their detriment is why the SNP hoover up the votes north of the border not because of the SNPs individual policies which not all of their voters support anyway.

I suspect Corbyns Labour party with its myriad sub constituencies and interest groups scattered across the UK, many with divergent or even conflicting policy goals is going to manage to replicate that level of focus, let alone flog it north of the border.

In the end I expect Corbyn's Labour leadership to break up into factional bickering amomngst the left over details oif the Labour policy agenda.

With regard to London housing the upcoming Mayoral election is going to have more immediate impact than Corbyns election as Labour leader though I expect it will undermine an already weakening sentiment at the top end of the capitals property market.

Edited September 13, 2015 by stormymonday_2011

[Eddie_George]

I can see Corbyn and Khan building lots of houses and then giving them all to refugees and migrants (as they will tend to have more kids) while the UK nationals (who didn't have kids either due to cost or living in a rental) continue to rent privately.

This.

[long time lurking]

I doubt it.

The SNPs key to success is the fact they concentrate on the issue of how power is acquired and wielded in the UK by a London dominated political elite (of which Corbyn is an associate member albeit on the far left) .

The fact that many Scots even to the right of centre think this process operates to their detriment is why the SNP hoover up the votes north of the border not because of the SNPs individual policies which not all of their voters support anyway.

I suspect Corbyns Labour party with its myriad sub constituencies and interest groups scattered across the UK, many with divergent or even conflicting policy goals is going to manage to replicate that level of focus, let alone flog it north of the border.

In the end I expect Corbyn's Labour leadership to break up into factional bickering amomngst the left over details oif the Labour policy agenda.

With regard to London housing the upcoming Mayoral election is going to have more immediate impact than Corbyns election as Labour leader though I expect it will undermine an already weakening sentiment at the top end of the capitals property market.

To an extent i would agree ,but i think most labour converts seen labour for what it had become tories with red ties the snp were the best looking horse in the glue factory

If it was all about London rule, considering the % of the vote the SNP had in the GE why are they not an independent country now ?

Edited September 13, 2015 by long time lurking

[irrationalactor]

I was encouraged to hear Corbyn point out Khan's housing policies during his acceptance speech.

London really is absolutely insane now. As crazy as prices are, up North a higher-than-average earner (or couple) can probably still buy by stretching themselves. In London (and its satellites - Brighton, Cambridge, Oxford), you have to be a millionaire to buy a bedsit. This combination of the only place where there is a large concentration of high-paying jobs also being the place where no-one except international financiers can afford to live just isn't sustainable.

It's at the point now where I could probably move back to Scotland and work in a supermarket and have a much higher standard of living than I do living in London with my career-relevant job. And more and more often I find myself seriously considering it. How much longer will 'professionals' stomach living like students, with no route out other than to leave? More and more of us give up and leave every year.

Next year's mayoral election will be very interesting.

And I hope Corbyn starts hammering Dave and George on housing at PMQs. They've got away with their lies about 'Help to Buy' for too long. I'm sure I'm not Corbyn's natural constituency - but our country's housing problems are now so deep-rooted that I find myself standing shoulder-to-shoulder with council tenants and refugees and people threatened with eviction from social housing demanding that something change.