interestrateripoff Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Horror at Spanish rally race as car veers off track and ploughs into the crowd at high speed, killing six including TWO pregnant women and an eight-year-old child The victims were struck by the race car when its driver - reported to be local man Sergio Tabeayo - lost control during the La Coruña Rally, in the Spanish municipality of Carral in the north west of the country yesterday. Footage of the crash shows the moment the car skided across the dirt track before ploughing into a group of roughly 20 spectators (main), sending them flying into the air. Two pregnant women and an eight-year-old child have both been confirmed to be among the six people killed. Sixteen people were injured, six seriously. The race was immediately suspended in the aftermath, with police warning that the death toll is likely to rise. Emergency services remained on the scene overnight, supporting the victims and their families. Very tragic, but amazing more don't die watching these events as some spectators are crazy where they position themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMark Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Rally driving is highly dangerous which is why the cars have roll cages to protect the driver. The photo shows just how close people were standing, placing themselves in a dangerous situation which on this occasion, sadly, went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Many moons ago I was a stage commander on some of the Welsh sections of the Lombard RAC rally. Part of the 'perk' was to drive the course before the competitors had a go. It was obvious to us where the danger points were and we would spend hours before the race started telling people where not to stand (behind the acceleration point after a bend on gravel was a classic). People would rarely listen. Once the first car came through and a few got hit by flying rocks they moved off. There are only so many times you can tell Sunday racers that the outside of a bend with a car coming at you at 130 mph on gravel is a disaster waiting to happen. Likewise after a hump bridge. Classic places for cars to fall off the track but again the spectators knew best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Make them do it over water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gordon Pugh Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As they rally on public roads, there is nothing you can do to stop this other than banning rallying, which wont happen as road rallying is massively popular in many European countries particularly Ireland, France, Finland and Spain. And technically they are not race cars. They are road legal cars in a time trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As they rally on public roads, there is nothing you can do to stop this other than banning rallying, which wont happen as road rallying is massively popular in many European countries particularly Ireland, France, Finland and Spain. And technically they are not race cars. They are road legal cars in a time trial. This may be a stupid question - but how come speeding and dangerous driving rules do not apply to these 'races' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Many moons ago I was a stage commander on some of the Welsh sections of the Lombard RAC rally. Part of the 'perk' was to drive the course before the competitors had a go. It was obvious to us where the danger points were and we would spend hours before the race started telling people where not to stand (behind the acceleration point after a bend on gravel was a classic). People would rarely listen. Once the first car came through and a few got hit by flying rocks they moved off. There are only so many times you can tell Sunday racers that the outside of a bend with a car coming at you at 130 mph on gravel is a disaster waiting to happen. Likewise after a hump bridge. Classic places for cars to fall off the track but again the spectators knew best. Yes, many moons ago I would traipse all over the country with my ex and his rally team and was always shocked by the idiocy of some spectators. To get to many of the stages to watch the action you'd have to tromp through the woods and you'd pass numerous warning signs warning the public but they seemed oblivious to the dangers. My son races and was down at the Brighton speed trials yesterday and is competing in a hill climb today though somewhat handicapped with a blown turbo. The club he belongs to is dying a death because they are reluctant to put on events which attract large numbers of spectators because of the safety implications and cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Make them do it over water. They need to ground all vintage cars just to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As they rally on public roads, there is nothing you can do to stop this other than banning rallying, which wont happen as road rallying is massively popular in many European countries particularly Ireland, France, Finland and Spain. And technically they are not race cars. They are road legal cars in a time trial. I don't know about now but when I was involved they raced on private roads - mainly Forestry commission and place like Longleat. The cars did need to be driven on public roads between stages but there were severe fines for speeding on public roads. IIRC they were timed and anyone arriving early was automatically penalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I don't know about now but when I was involved they raced on private roads - mainly Forestry commission and place like Longleat. The cars did need to be driven on public roads between stages but there were severe fines for speeding on public roads. IIRC they were timed and anyone arriving early was automatically penalised. Yes, that's how I remember things. I always enjoyed going to Cirencester Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 They need to ground all vintage cars just to be on the safe side. Agreed. Or would that be 'air' instead of ground ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Why stand there if you are pregnant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Are we taking refugees yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Make them do it over water. It's not quite the same though, is it? Spectators at a rally are aware (or at least should be) that there is a risk that they might be caught up in an accident if a car should leave the course. The motor sport equivalent of Shoreham- of a vehicle completely leaving the bounds of the event and injuring or killing total bystanders - well I'm not going to claim that it's never happened, but this must be the closest to it. Even then I'm not sure if that track is public land or within the bounds of the circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I knew after the Shoreham thread the silly comments brigade would be out....... You nicked all the best ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's not quite the same though, is it? Spectators at a rally are aware (or at least should be) that there is a risk that they might be caught up in an accident if a car should leave the course. The motor sport equivalent of Shoreham- of a vehicle completely leaving the bounds of the event and injuring or killing total bystanders - well I'm not going to claim that it's never happened, but this must be the closest to it. Even then I'm not sure if that track is public land or within the bounds of the circuit. No but it shows that low energy cars are just as good as high energy jets at killing unprotected spectators. If the rally is not on public roads then surely the owners of the private roads and the event holders have the same duty of care as say F1 to protect spectators being at least required to put up barriers and warning signs. As was discussed on the Shoreham aircraft thread ordinary members of the public tend be extraordinarily poor at judging the real risk of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Has the possibility of an EMP been ruled out at this stage? The only possible explanation for the crash that I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As was discussed on the Shoreham aircraft thread ordinary members of the public tend be extraordinarily poor at judging the real risk of events. Considering how many people don't get hurt I don't think that they are. The people who are extraordinarily poor at judging the real risks are usually the ones who harp on about safety to the nth degree and act like the odds are against you coming out alive every time you go down to the shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Why stand there if you are pregnant? I think the laws of natural selection are at play. Harsh but I have had to deal with these people first hand and they always know better than the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Considering how many people don't get hurt I don't think that they are. The people who are extraordinarily poor at judging the real risks are usually the ones who harp on about safety to the nth degree and act like the odds are against you coming out alive every time you go down to the shops. The media love spectacular tragedies which is why acres of column space were devoted to photographs showing the Shoreham air crash from every angle. More mundane deaths just do not attract the attention which is why so much time is devoted to air show accidents and crashes at motor racing events and not to the large numbers of people who die each year from simply falling off ladders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 These rich racing driver, champagne Charlies, driving wherever they like, in road cars, with no safety measures whatsoever. Would this be allowed outside my house? I assume so. Should be banned. /workingpoorYou forgot "Hooray Henries" As i mentioned in the Shoreham thread rally / race cars are fitted with sealed fuel cells not filled fuel tanks that can split open and combust. They have to conform to PIAA spec with autonfuel cut offs and plumbed in onboard fire extinguisher systems, multi point roll cages etc, they are not vintage jets without modern self sealing fuel tanks. (it costs a considerable ammount to get a rally car up to the required safety spec to compete) Also the police have quoted the car as travelling way to fast and out of control. The spectators and the vehicle should not have been allowed to be in such close proximity. RIP to all those who lost their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Has the possibility of an EMP been ruled out at this stage? The only possible explanation for the crash that I can see. Not yet, but Putin's undoubtedly to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gordon Pugh Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 This may be a stupid question - but how come speeding and dangerous driving rules do not apply to these 'races' ? No idea, have to ask the powers that be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gordon Pugh Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I don't know about now but when I was involved they raced on private roads - mainly Forestry commission and place like Longleat. The cars did need to be driven on public roads between stages but there were severe fines for speeding on public roads. IIRC they were timed and anyone arriving early was automatically penalised. I am pretty certain they race on public roads in many countries. Unless they build villages and farms on private roads. I honestly have no idea who owns the roads, but they have road signs and village names, so i assume they are public owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Closed-road motorsport gets green light in the UK http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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