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Uk History & Experiments In Living In Different Types Of Groups & Houses - R4

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Social historian Juliet Gardiner questions the 1930s dream of a semi-detached home in the suburbs, where 'a man's home is his castle' to live in splendid isolation with his nuclear family.
This ideal was born out of the raw memory of the over-crowded slums which had only recently been cleared, making the idea of a home of one's own so precious. But Juliet argues this dream is doing us no favours at all when facing the challenges of how to live today. She asks if we really want or need as much privacy as we think we do.
Today we are in the throes of an acute housing crisis and people are being forced to experiment with new ways to live to put a roof over their head. Juliet draws parallels with the housing crisis after World War Two, when slum clearances and bombs led to a huge housing shortage. What ideas and lessons can she bring from the experiments of the past to the experiments of the present?
Juliet shares her knowledge of the post-1945 period when people began to live more communally. While they were glad to be out of the shelters, many wanted to retain the greater sense of community, camaraderie and communal living. Big country houses were sold off cheaply and bought by groups of families, sharing resources and child-care.
She meets participants in 'Home Share' an initiative which matches older people who live alone and want company, with younger people who are struggling to afford rents. She also hears about 'property guardian' schemes, whereby participants live in an empty property for a low rent, matching their need for affordable housing with the owner's need to protect the security of their property.
Do any of these experiments present an answer to the housing crisis?
A Somethin' Else production for BBC Radio 4.
Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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Home share is a great idea for many people.....the state endorses it by upping the tax free rental allowance £7500 pa.....fills empty redundant rooms in places where there is a demand for low cost housing, generations working together.....win.win. ;)

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Home share is a great idea for many people.....the state endorses it by upping the tax free rental allowance £7500 pa.....fills empty redundant rooms in places where there is a demand for low cost housing, generations working together.....win.win. ;)

With property that always seems to involve new and innovative ways for the younger generation to give the older generation money.

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With property that always seems to involve new and innovative ways for the younger generation to give the older generation money.

Ah, no not quite,,,,,this is a give and take model....both get something, both give something...low rent in the right place = able to save.... ;)

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Ah, no not quite,,,,,this is a give and take model....both get something, both give something...low rent in the right place = able to save.... ;)

Except letting out a room offers tax relief, embedded economic rent beyond provision cost, (often) socially funded capital gains, security of tenure and habitation. The tenant gets none of this, or a pass through, beyond a room and roof at someone else's convenience. Yet funds it.

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Depends what kinds of people live in those houses. There was that slum city in HK that was apparently remarkably free of crime despite having the highest density of anywhere on the planet

Meanwhile, everyone in Detroit lives in a 2000st ft+ detached house...still a criminal infested cesspit.

Its not houses that are the problem, its the type of people in them. But In reality, at least you can somewhat fortify a detached house, as they do in South Africa, to keep the undesirables out. I'd rather live in a shitty neighbourhood of detached houses than a shitty neighbourhood of high rises, put it that way.

Regardless, the article stinks of massaging down expectations, and is indicative of the engineered decline in living standards since about 1980. Those who have made it wont have to give up their luxury estates while more and more people are crammed into smaller spaces.

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Except letting out a room offers tax relief, embedded economic rent beyond provision cost, (often) socially funded capital gains, security of tenure and habitation. The tenant gets none of this, or a pass through, beyond a room and roof at someone else's convenience. Yet funds it.

People have been living with extended families for hundreds of years....this is a mutual voluntary arrangement between two people....not everyone knows or has friends or family that have spacious accommodation in desirable locations in the capital and beyond and able to pay below market rents......this is an excellent way to use what would otherwise be wasted space and resourses....both parties benefit from it.

The community working together for the benefit of the community, nothing not to like..... I can see others with other vested interests not liking it but that is not what is being talked about here.

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If it's familial assistance, or for free on the basis of mutual company/resources, or at cost - then fine by me.

If it's 'voluntary' in the sense of no other/least bad option, as just another sop to homeowners vs tenants - then not.

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Depends what kinds of people live in those houses. There was that slum city in HK that was apparently remarkably free of crime despite having the highest density of anywhere on the planet

Meanwhile, everyone in Detroit lives in a 2000st ft+ detached house...still a criminal infested cesspit.

Jane Jacobs book will explain that - its all in the way the city is designed.

Essential reading for deciding what kind of place you should live in.

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Except letting out a room offers tax relief, embedded economic rent beyond provision cost, (often) socially funded capital gains, security of tenure and habitation. The tenant gets none of this, or a pass through, beyond a room and roof at someone else's convenience. Yet funds it.

There are more ways to skin a cat......there are many ways that people can a do live and run businesses....why, see the coffee thread, people are using coffee shops as a neutral ground to do business for the rental price of a couple of coffees, wifi, soft seating and comfortable surroundings no overheads....people I know live in a cooperative and choose collectively between them the neighbours they would like when a unit becomes free......large companies provide accommodation for their employees and some also will pay rent direct to vetted families for apprentices and other management training.......we need to look outside this country to see how other people provide quality and affordable places to their citizens to live......buying a place with debt and hoping it will rise forever in value is not the only best way....sometimes it can turn out to be the worst way to accommodate yourself and your family.... ;)

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There are more ways to skin a cat......there are many ways that people can a do live and run businesses....why, see the coffee thread, people are using coffee shops as a neutral ground to do business for the rental price of a couple of coffees, wifi, soft seating and comfortable surroundings no overheads....people I know live in a cooperative and choose collectively between them the neighbours they would like when a unit becomes free......large companies provide accommodation for their employees and some also will pay rent direct to vetted families for apprentices and other management training.......we need to look outside this country to see how other people provide quality and affordable places to their citizens to live......buying a place with debt and hoping it will rise forever in value is not the only best way....sometimes it can turn out to be the worst way to accommodate yourself and your family.... ;)

That's great, but let's not pretend that most 'sharing economy' measures amount to voluntary or not for profit collectives.

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