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Landlords Face 5 Years Imprisonment For Renting To Illegal Immigrants.

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Well just when you thought Ozzy had finished with BuytoLet:

http://news.sky.com/story/1529362/landlords-who-rent-to-illegal-migrants-face-jail

Landlords who fail to evict migrants who do not have the right to live in Britain could be jailed for up to five years under measures to be included in the Immigration Bill.

Private landlords will also be able to evict illegal immigrants without a court order, in a move the Government says will make it easier for property owners to remove migrants whose visas expire.

Failure to act against illegal immigrants, or to check the residency status of tenants before renting out properties, could lead to fines or jail time.

A new criminal offence of repeatedly failing to conduct checks or remove tenants with no right to reside in Britain will carry maximum penalties of five years' imprisonment.

Rogue landlords or letting agents who break the law will be blacklisted to allow councils to keep track of them - and potentially ban them from renting properties.

Edited by workingpoor

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The wheels seem to be falling off the BTL bandwagon at moment. Its one measure after another, they don't like it up them do they.

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5 years :) mass murderers don get that in the uk, more likley a warning or 50 hrs community service if anyone ever gets charged which they probably wont.

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5 years :) mass murderers don get that in the uk, more likley a warning or 50 hrs community service if anyone ever gets charged which they probably wont.

Governments willing ends rather than means.

How is this to be enforced without landlords being licensed and policed particularly as those authorities who will end up with the job are just about to have their budgets slashed by up to 40%. At the moment fiscal policy and all other areas of government business are heading in opposite directions.

My suspicion it is just another attempt by the UK government to pretend to the public that they are doing something about the 'migrant crisis' when in fact they are doing nothing.

Could be some lively Cabinet meetings after the summer recess.

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It's a big stick, probably not quite big enough, but progress.

What we really need though is a blanket statement that all applications for asylum are bogus and therefore rejected without consideration. Since the UK is not the nearest safe place to any unsafe country (our neighbours are Ireland and France, FFS!) all refugees are de facto spurious. There should be no mechanism even to apply. The act of applying should be grounds for deportation.

We also need to strip any immigrant lawfully in the country of their right to be here if they are convicted of any criminal offence. I would apply this to second, third, etc generation immigrants who were born here as well. Often the first generation immigrant is hardworking and aspirational, but the next and subsequent generations are just parasites. If someone has the right to go and live in another country then they should go and live there if they are criminal.

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Landlords will be instructed by the home office to evict their tennant upon thier asylum claim being declined. Faliure to do so will be a criminal offence.

all in this bbc report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33754595

You mean the Home Office will be able to police thousands of landlords where they currently can not police

the less than a hundred main ports and airports in the UK.

Don't make me laugh.

If they wanted to stop the migrant flow it would be much cheaper and easier to do it at the border.

Moreover it is only going to cover asylum seekers who stay on the books so to speak rather than disappearing into the black economy

The BBC article actually says that landlords may be prosecuted if they 'repeatedly fail' to comply.

How often is that ten times, a hundred or a thousand.

What happens if the prosecution gets overturned in the courts.

Making something a criminal offence does not mean anything is going to done to catch perpetrators as anyone who has had their home burgled will know.

To be honest if you want to deter migrants once here you need large scale internal policing with identity check every step of the way and that costs money and manpower since police states dont come free.

This is largely cheap propaganda designed to try and deter migrants and to reassure the public than a realistic policy

Edited by stormymonday_2011

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Isn't it the governments duty to evict them from the UK once their claim fails?

They should be doing their job not putting the public at risk and having desperadoes wandering the streets.

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Granted it's a soundbite obviously but it's a good one though.

If it's now a criminal offence to rent to illegal migrants then some of these "pack em in" slumlords could have their properties seized under the proceeds of crime act could they not?

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"The Telegraph's Emily Gosden reports that Richard Lambert, head of the National Landlords Association, said he was “slightly concerned we are breaking 40 year old principle that it has to be a court that ends a tenancy” and landlords had been concerned that they were “being effectively asked to do the work of the border control”."

Oh what a surprise, true colours out on show!

Scumbags.

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The wheels seem to be falling off the BTL bandwagon at moment. Its one measure after another, they don't like it up them do they.

But they do love those illegal fuzzie wuzzies paying for their retirement.

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Isn't it the governments duty to evict them from the UK once their claim fails?

They should be doing their job not putting the public at risk and having desperadoes wandering the streets.

How the government choose to play it is up to them......but to bring in a policy on the rebound without the ability or means to carry it through makes them look weak and out of control......this country needs a certain amount of immigration, and it is the haves that benefit from it the most......those that are at the bottom of the food chain are in competition with the new immigrants, they are the ones fighting for the scarce resources such as homes, education,health and work.....

It costs £40k to keep someone in jail for a year......how many people have been prosecuted for driving whilst using a hand held mobile phone?

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I run a recruitment agency. We used to get inundated with illegals with fake ID. This will merely add a shot in the arm to the fake ID industry

Will landlords know how to spot fakes? Ive often taken fake ID in the past and given it to the police. Plod simply couldnt be bothered. They didnt know how to identify a fake other than to check if the name existed and did it match the passport / visa number. It was beyond their comprehension that someone could use the name and numbers from genuine ID, and put someone else's photo on it.

On one occasion I gave a fake ID to the police, they said they had done checks and the ID number and name were genuine. I tried to point out that the person bearing the ID is not the person who was issued the ID with that name. This blew plods mind. The response was, 'now you're opening a whole can of worms, i want to close this case, i am going to give the ID back'.

So, against a backdrop of police not being interested in lifting illegals, we are now threatening 5 years in prison for people who house these people.

Splendid.

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So what happens if you think someone's an illegal overstayed migrant and you evict them and it turn out they weren't?

What access do LL have to verify ID?

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So what happens if you think someone's an illegal overstayed migrant and you evict them and it turn out they weren't?

What access do LL have to verify ID?

In practice you will be issued with a notice from the home office instructing you to evict the illegal

upon their asylum claim being denied.

Safest way for a LL to cover their back would be to use a lettings agent then the onus is on them.

The LL or agent will have to conduct "right to rent checks" before agreeing a tennancy.

This is based on a successful trial of this policy in the west midlands.

Edited by workingpoor

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These landlords may face a fine, up to five years' imprisonment and further sanctions under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

Yes just as i thought the proceeds of crime act to pave the way for property seizure!

more info here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183347/Landlords-fail-check-renting-illegal-immigrants-face-five-years-prison.html

Presenter John Humphrys asked: 'Why chuck him out? Why not arrest him and make sure he gets sent out of the country?'

Mr Clark insisted the Home Office was involved in the process by serving an order to the landlord.

'That's why this process is with the Home Office so that those people who are no longer entitled to be in this country can leave the country. The arrangement the Home Office has to return people to their country of origin tie in with this. This is precisely the point.'

But Mr Humphrys asked again: 'But you don't know where he is. He has gone. Why do you now, having established that he is an illegal, indeed you have sent a notice to the landlord, why don't the boys in blue nick him and lock him up and then get rid of him.'

Mr Clark replied: 'If he is an illegal that is exactly what the Home Office has the powers to do in serving the notice confirming that there is no longer the right to rent a property.'

He insisted that the scheme had been 'successful in the West Midlands and we are extending it.'

Edited by workingpoor

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I run a recruitment agency. We used to get inundated with illegals with fake ID. This will merely add a shot in the arm to the fake ID industry

Will landlords know how to spot fakes? Ive often taken fake ID in the past and given it to the police. Plod simply couldnt be bothered. They didnt know how to identify a fake other than to check if the name existed and did it match the passport / visa number. It was beyond their comprehension that someone could use the name and numbers from genuine ID, and put someone else's photo on it.

On one occasion I gave a fake ID to the police, they said they had done checks and the ID number and name were genuine. I tried to point out that the person bearing the ID is not the person who was issued the ID with that name. This blew plods mind. The response was, 'now you're opening a whole can of worms, i want to close this case, i am going to give the ID back'.

So, against a backdrop of police not being interested in lifting illegals, we are now threatening 5 years in prison for people who house these people.

Splendid.

All valid points......how is anyone supposed to tell fake ID to genuine ID......what does it take to stamp a stamp 'indefinite leave to remain' in any passport?...or fake other paperwork..........anyway what is stopping a bad landlord knowingly providing accommodation, threatening illegals living in poor overcrowded conditions to pay up or else be evicted and live on the street....only for a good paying illegal to take their place?

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