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What Is It With People And Football

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Was never especially into sport or football. Played it at school. It was OK.

It has an easy set of rules and can be played "anywhere" (e.g. garages) with just a cheap ball.

I see why it's popular.

What I don't see is why people seem to follow it as if it were a religion or an addiction, like drugs.

I've always thought that football - as in having season tickets, going to matches etc. was/is the preserve of the traditional working class Northerner and is less important "down South". Don't know whether that's true or not, maybe it's just that the big teams happen to be Up North and so are the stadia.

Having then been priced out of going to the matches, which I can see would be a really nice thing to do with your kids, people then turn to Sky etc. to watch it (I guess it's not quite the same), and the packages seem quite expensive.

BT then launches a channel which presumably means that people now pay even more to see all of the games, requiring subscriptions to both Sky and BT. This thing just seems to keep on generating infinite amounts of money.

It isn't for me to judge what others should spend their money on. If someone wants to spend most of their income on it because it makes them happy then good for them. Nor is it for me to judge whether football is "good" or "worthwhile".

But I do get a sense that actually the percentage of people who really want to watch the games is a lot lower then might be imagined which is why the cost of the packages has to be "socialised" - BT putting up line rental for everyone just after having paid a fortune for the rights, for instance.

So we're all paying those player salaries. Does this stop at some point? Why is football so special in this regard?

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Don't know about sky, as I don't have it and never will. I am a season ticket holder at a championship club though. I don't go to any away games these days.

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The popularity of watching football has always baffled me, and not too keen on playing it either.

But I guess it provides a common language for blokes, some sense of belonging and structured entertainment. Player salaries are insane considering what they do in return for them.

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I wonder why the EPL is constantly hyped as the best league in the world.

In the last 15 yrs they have won the CL just 3 times and the English

national team have won heehaw since 1966 when they relied on home

advantage and a dodgy linesman for success . If it wasnt for Andy Murray

they wouldnt have anything to crow about.

Football is the ultimate bread and circus act and the Epl has the best clowns.

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I can't remember the author, but I remember watching an interview with an academic on youtube regarding sport, (particularly football) and how it was used as a medium of distraction to stop the working classes (mainly males) revolting.

It pacifies & distracts them.

IMO, He made a convincing case.

I theorise, but the intense hatred between clubs may be a channel / distraction away from hatred for the real masters of bankers / land owners / politicians / corps.

Perhaps soap operas do a similar thing to the female working classes, video games , or watching others play them via twitch / YT) for the kids.

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Maybe people want to belong to a tribe and let off steam too.

Something to do when the winter comes as well.

Yup, that's it.

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It's an evolutionary thing.

People want to be part of the mob, because being part of the mob gives you a better chance of survival. The group is stronger than the individual. People feel comfortable in the mob and protected.

Football provides a rally point for the mob, as do many other things where people are brought together. Religion, "moral issues", politics, you name it.

Once the mob is formed it needs a target/enemy. Most successful rally points provide this, because without focus the mob has no purpose and is quickly dissolved. The experience of fighting the target binds the mob together. Like in 1984, if the enemy is removed then the mob turns in on itself and splits into smaller mobs, that will all fight each other.

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It's an evolutionary thing.

People want to be part of the mob, because being part of the mob gives you a better chance of survival. The group is stronger than the individual. People feel comfortable in the mob and protected.

Football provides a rally point for the mob, as do many other things where people are brought together. Religion, "moral issues", politics, you name it.

Once the mob is formed it needs a target/enemy. Most successful rally points provide this, because without focus the mob has no purpose and is quickly dissolved. The experience of fighting the target binds the mob together. Like in 1984, if the enemy is removed then the mob turns in on itself and splits into smaller mobs, that will all fight each other.

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What I don't see is why people seem to follow it as if it were a religion or an addiction, like drugs.

I've always thought that football - as in having season tickets, going to matches etc. was/is the preserve of the traditional working class Northerner and is less important "down South". Don't know whether that's true or not, maybe it's just that the big teams happen to be Up North and so are the stadia.

Agree. I'd only ever go to watch if friends/family were involved. Happily that hasn't happened since my schooldays.

So we're all paying those player salaries. Does this stop at some point? Why is football so special in this regard?

It's the same thing as "celebrity" culture. I suspect a lot of it comes from the post-war-consensus of "reverse snobbery". The ones who sneer at music as "elitist" (ignoring the fact that football costs more than opera) and gave us instead the "music biz" pushing vacuous crap out and making billions from the sheeple, and call you a snob if you have the effrontery to suggest they're not equal.

The popularity of watching football has always baffled me, and not too keen on playing it either.

But I guess it provides a common language for blokes, some sense of belonging and structured entertainment. Player salaries are insane considering what they do in return for them.

Heh. That's the "wimmins hour" line: "women are excluded because they don't want to talk football/cars/whatever". Whenever they talk about those glass ceilings and pay gaps, I conclude that by their criteria I'm obviously a woman.

Once the mob is formed it needs a target/enemy. Most successful rally points provide this, because without focus the mob has no purpose and is quickly dissolved. The experience of fighting the target binds the mob together. Like in 1984, if the enemy is removed then the mob turns in on itself and splits into smaller mobs, that will all fight each other.

Conclusion: BTL really do provide a useful service to society. ;)

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I love it. Theres drama and entertainment. Sure its not for, everybody but then again as its all on pay TV these days you can ignore it very easily.

Is someone trying to force a football down your throat? No? Then let us have our fun.

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What else are you going to do on Saturday afternoon? Spend it with the family? (shudder, shudder)...

Get down onto your allotment!

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I think a Target Group Index studies found it was a bit of a myth that all men had an instinctive understanding and liking for football

Half of all men don't watch it at all even if it is on free to view TV

There is also a degree of demographic drop out

When I was a kid in the late 1960s and early 1970s I could have named many of the players in the teams that constituted the English first division (still can for that matter when viewing old Youtube clips) I could not identify let alone spell the names of most of the players in the current EPL

There is also a huge disconnect in the relationship between players, clubs and fans now. Years ago a player or a manager would probably spend his entire career with no more than 2-3 clubs. Now they seem to move every season. As a consequence modern fans tend to supporting a club shirt and a brand rather than an identifiable team as in days of yore which to me is a bit of a strange concept.

It is a bit like going down to the supermarket and chanting your undying love for Mars Bars or Mccains Oven Chips

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I love it. Theres drama and entertainment. Sure its not for, everybody but then again as its all on pay TV these days you can ignore it very easily.

Is someone trying to force a football down your throat? No? Then let us have our fun.

Before I get lynched.. I wasn't intending to be confrontational:

It isn't for me to judge what others should spend their money on. If someone wants to spend most of their income on it because it makes them happy then good for them. Nor is it for me to judge whether football is "good" or "worthwhile".

I can enjoy watching it myself. I usually watch the World Cup.

It's the near-religious aspect of it that seems unique to this game that intrigues me.

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Well cricket and horse racing are just an excuse for al fresco drinking

Horse Racing wouldn't exist without the bookies..

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I love it. Theres drama and entertainment. Sure its not for, everybody but then again as its all on pay TV these days you can ignore it very easily.

Is someone trying to force a football down your throat? No? Then let us have our fun.

In my experience from watching live football over the years drama and entertainment is often in short supply.

Often games are crucifyingly dull.

Even Nick Hornby admitted most Arsenal games were dire and that watching the team play well or in exciting matches was only a tiny part of a fans motivation

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I my experience from watching live football over the years drama and entertainment is often in short supply.

Often games are crucifyingly dull.

Even Nick Hornby admitted most Arsenal games were dire and that watching the team play well or in exciting matches was only a tiny part of a fans motivation

Then stop watching. Is that difficult?

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I my experience from watching live football over the years drama and entertainment is often in short supply.

Often games are crucifyingly dull.

Even Nick Hornby admitted most Arsenal games were dire and that watching the team play well or in exciting matches was only a tiny part of a fans motivation

The Premiershite is more competitive than most top-flight leagues, but ultimately its usually only the top 4 or 6 that are in with a shout of winning stuff...

You want to look down the leagues...Could you predict a winner between Notts Forest v Bolton, or Oldham v Colchester? Compare that to Chelsea v Swansea, and 8 times out of ten you'd bet on Chelsea..

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The cost is ridiculous, for one of our local sides who are in the Championship a Cat A* game adult prices range from £45-£52!!! For a small family you ain't going to get much change out of £150 for 90 minutes entertainment which isn't even guaranteed.

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The cost is ridiculous, for one of our local sides who are in the Championship a Cat A* game adult prices range from £45-£52!!! For a small family you ain't going to get much change out of £150 for 90 minutes entertainment which isn't even guaranteed.

...and even if you make a day of it...You're not going to get much change out of £250, when you factor in fuel, meals, etc..

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I love it. Theres drama and entertainment. Sure its not for, everybody but then again as its all on pay TV these days you can ignore it very easily.

Is someone trying to force a football down your throat? No? Then let us have our fun.

I guess that a pure football channel on pay TV would be so expensive as to be unviable. I haven't watched a match in years but one of my household is passionate about golf. You cannot get just golf on Sky - you have to pay a small fortune for football and you get golf as an added extra. I am sure they could just allow you to pick a sport and pay less for that but the pricing of certain individual sports would be quite eye-watering. It is akin to me wanting to pay to see Lethal Weapon 16 but having to also pay for 12 different Hugh Grant romcoms as 'they all come bundled together'.

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Then stop watching. Is that difficult?

Pretty much have as a matter of fact though I have got a chance for some cheap tickets to see Brighton and Hove Albion so I might go and see a live game this year for the first time in decades.

I rarely watch it on TV now unless it happens to be on in a pub I am visiting.

BTW I am not particularly having a go at football or its fans since the same applies to most sports

Over ninety percent of tennis matches are one sided massacres as Wimbledon proves every year

F1 motor racing is little more than a procession behind the best car (invariably also filled by the best driver).

Horse racing is as dull as ditch water if you are not interested in bloodstock, equine pedigrees etc, Without the distraction of a having a bet and visiting the on course bars most courses would be deserted

Most first class cricket is the equivalent of watching paint dry unless you happen to have a pint in your hand, a few friends with which to chat, a paper to read or a good seat in the sun where you can doze. And I say this as someone who was an annual member with Somerset County cricket club back in the 1980s

The truth is that most sport like the rest of life is unremarkable and mundane only occasionally enlivened with drama, crisis or sublime performance.

The TV and Media can hype it as much as they want but the reality is that much of it is just a distraction to fill the empty space while we wait to die

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