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“no Irish Need Apply”

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For many years, the employment ad or sign indicating No Irish Need Apply had been part of the historical memory of discrimination against the Irish immigrant in America. In 2002, University of Illinois Professor Richard Jensen set out to disprove the existence of such signs. As recounted by the Irish Central website:

Jensen claimed that because his exhaustive search for any material or archival evidence of the NINA signs yielded only one result, they were likely a myth, a figment of the collective Irish American imagination.

The fact that Irish vividly remember, NINA signs is a curious historical puzzle, he stated.

There are no contemporary or retrospective accounts of a specific sign at a specific location. No particular business enterprise is named as a culprit. No historian, archivist, or museum curator has ever located one; no photograph or drawing exists.

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No pets, blacks or Irish? :blink:

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Nowadays the language has mutated: you usually have to be more subtle. Hence "don't waste your time" takes forms like "preference will be given to qualified applicants who are from a designated minority".

Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the basis for a way to satisfy a jobcentre you're applying, without the risk of actually getting offered a job you don't want?

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It only takes half a brain to get around the PC legislation. Even hospital consultants could do it in recruitment. I only knew of one case where they went wrong. Cardiac surgery. The mistake had more to do with the two consultants' rivalry and refusal to talk to each other than discrimination. At the tribunal the panel almost guffawed when it became clear that one or other of the two must have lied. Berks!

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As a kid I saw handwritten postcards in the windows of B&Bs: 'Rooms to rent. No coloureds No dogs No Irish'.

Yup, that's what I was thinking of. I don't think I ever saw that, or was too young to notice. :blink:

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I've asked my mother who's Irish and my Uncles and they all say they saw "no irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs in windows of letting properties in shepherds bush in London in the 60's.

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I've asked my mother who's Irish and my Uncles and they all say they saw "no irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs in windows of letting properties in shepherds bush in London in the 60's.

I've only seen in in documentaries. Me dad's mum was from Wexford. ;)

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I've asked my mother who's Irish and my Uncles and they all say they saw "no irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs in windows of letting properties in shepherds bush in London in the 60's.

They are obviously lying. Are they all left wing loonies?

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They are obviously lying. Are they all left wing loonies?

I think these signs existed.

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I've asked my mother who's Irish and my Uncles and they all say they saw "no irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs in windows of letting properties in shepherds bush in London in the 60's.

Life was so simple back then you could get all the ethnic groups on one postcard

Now you would need a massive list.

Alternatively you could just write "Rooms To Let. Klu Klux Klan members particularly welcome"

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They are obviously lying. Are they all left wing loonies?

No they are not and they have taken it as a bit of an affront that i suggested these signs didnt exist and were an urban myth!

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Life was so simple back then you could get all the ethnic groups on one postcard

Now you would need a massive list.

Alternatively you could just write "Rooms To Let. Klu Klux Klan members particularly welcome"

A giant cross with a tea-towel over it saves all that printing.

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I've seen one in the past, at a camp site: No Irish.

How camp was the site? :blink:

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No they are not and they have taken it as a bit of an affront that i suggested these signs didnt exist and were an urban myth!

I think they did exist. Some people here have seen them.

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http://www.longislandwins.com/columns/detail/high_school_student_proves_professor_wrong_when_he_denied_no_irish_need_app

For many years, the employment ad or sign indicating No Irish Need Apply had been part of the historical memory of discrimination against the Irish immigrant in America. In 2002, University of Illinois Professor Richard Jensen set out to disprove the existence of such signs. As recounted by the Irish Central website:

Jensen claimed that because his exhaustive search for any material or archival evidence of the NINA signs yielded only one result, they were likely a myth, a figment of the collective Irish American imagination.

The fact that Irish vividly remember, NINA signs is a curious historical puzzle, he stated.

There are no contemporary or retrospective accounts of a specific sign at a specific location. No particular business enterprise is named as a culprit. No historian, archivist, or museum curator has ever located one; no photograph or drawing exists.

I like the one that says 'german or colored, no irish' :lol:

I don't think its 'racism' so much as superficialism in that case...guy probably had a fetish for buxom blonde frau's or coffee coloured raven haired types, and didn't like redheads or freckles or something.

Regardless, as a business owner, contentious though it may be, I personally think the words 'service can be withdrawn at any time at the proprietors request and no reason need be given' should be interpreted literally. Anything less is a restriction of freedom and property rights. The right to discriminate is the foundation of a free society.

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I've seen one in the past, at a camp site: No Irish.

What sort of time frame was that? Friends who were in London in 1982 have said that their (ex) local bar put up a no Irish sign shortly after the Hyde Park bomb.

My dad remembers the signs too, in England and similar in Canada. Once he was refused lodgings even after explaining and proving that he was an RAF pilot. He was given the highly original nickname Mickey in the RAF. To this day that is still the name everybody uses for him even though it bears no resemblance to his birth name. He would blow a gasket if it was suggested to him that the signs didn't exist.

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I think I wouldn't have noticed these signs, as although I have Irish ancestry, I was born in Surrey, I don't wear a green bowler hat, carrying a piglet under my arm, or drink Guinness relentlessly whilst talking about bombs.

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I think I wouldn't have noticed these signs, as although I have Irish ancestry, I was born in Surrey, I don't wear a green bowler hat, carrying a piglet under my arm, or drink Guinness relentlessly whilst talking about bombs.

Shame on you Mr Pin. You are being disloyal to your ancestry. My pig ( :rolleyes: ) has been up all night drinking my Guinness and is now parading around wearing my green bowler hat rhyming on relentlessly about jager bombs. Activity that will be happening in all Irish houses this morning. Keep up.

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