19 year mortgage 8itch Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 See pension thread but in general, what is the meaning of fair? I'm not versed in philosophy, y'know, state education and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Lightly coloured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptherebels Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 What pension thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 What pension thread?Don't get hung up on pension thing, it's the general principle of what we think fairness is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 You can demonstrate the concept of unfairness. Children can see it (and push the boundaries of it). So can animals. Victims of substantial unfairness become visibly unhappy. It becomes problematic when you try and extrapolate the idea beyond the family-sized (or at most community-sized) group. Basically, this concept which is so obvious to the child and the animal, doesn't work. Well-meaning human attempts to impose it are at best a blunt instrument, and often counterproductive and indeed damaging. Fairness is about avoiding unfairness. If you give one child a treat, you should give the other child a treat too - at least in the absence of circumstances of specific reward or punishment. But not the stranger's child: that's none of your business and you might get into trouble if your motives are misconstrued. Communities and governments can try and create fairness on a larger scale. At best they can do some good, as in the idea that every child should get a basic education. But even that leads to problems as matters of detail confound good intentions, and the goalposts inevitably move, move, and move again. More commonly, meddling creates more trouble than any good it does: for example, that meeja phrase "postcode lottery" today stands in the way of any NHS management today adapting itself to work best for the needs of any local community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I think the fair is the place they have the c0ck carousell all the deluded old scrapper birds have been on. I think the fair is the place they have the c0ck carousel all the deluded old scrapper birds have been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Don't get hung up on pension thing, it's the general principle of what we think fairness is. You mean, the unfairness of someone retiring today getting 3% where someone who retired in the 1990s got 15% on their pension pot values? That kind of thing is indeed unfair (insofar as the concept is meaningful). But it's never the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. Depends on who owns the sweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. I left my pot at home, so I'll just take my fair share of yours today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 You mean, the unfairness of someone retiring today getting 3% where someone who retired in the 1990s got 15% on their pension pot values? That kind of thing is indeed unfair (insofar as the concept is meaningful). But it's never the whole story. It is equally unfair that both groups you mention got 100% more than retirees pre the 1908 inception of the old age pension. We all live in our own time. Accept that and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. What if one sweet is 10x the size of the others ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. Im fat. Only fair I get 4 sweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I`m geared up to get around 145 quid a week state pension. Why does some old git need more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The consistent application of the laws of thermodynamics in everyday life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 NIMBYism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Depends on who owns the sweets The person who owned them could either keep them or share them....if they choose to share them 'fairly' all things being equal each should receive the same... I left my pot at home, so I'll just take my fair share of yours today. Taking is stealing....that is not fair.....go home and get your pot of two sweets and give back what you stole to the person you stole from, only fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Im fat. Only fair I get 4 sweets. Your size does not come into it. What if one sweet is 10x the size of the others ? Everyone gets one sweet....and we melt those left and form equal sized slightly larger sweets to share later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 fairness is equality....meaning there are six sweets in a pot three people share each get two each.....that is fair. Fairness is competing for the sweets and the best person getting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Your size does not come into it. THATS not fair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The person who owned them could either keep them or share them....if they choose to share them 'fairly' all things being equal each should receive the same... No, what's fair is I get to distribute my property however I want to. It is unfair on me if I have to distribute my sweets evenly between everyone. They are MY sweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherebee Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 What is fair is time, culture, and location dependent. Eating someone against their wishes is not fair But if you are a party of people starving in the wilderness and it will keep the rest alive until rescue - it may be fair Fair is a construct ( and some other animals)): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Isn't the fairness bar set at how you would like to be treated in their situation? Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Fairness is what I think is fair. Every person thinks this way. Forget all the examples, if no-one feels miffed then it's OK. If someone is upset, then they think that it is unfair, regardless of what others think. So, fairness is entirely a personal construct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Isn't the fairness bar set at how you would like to be treated in their situation? Nothing more, nothing less. Some people don't think like that! Some will kick you when you are down! No! You pull people up when they are down, and then you might have a friend for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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