bovinedealer Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I wasn't in the UK in 2005, but was a minutes silence held then does anyone know for the July 7th victims? And do you think a minute's silence is appropirate now? I genuinely am not sure, as much as a tragedy it obviously is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I don't really feel connected enough to the event to observe it myself. I didn't know anyone involved personally. It isn't on the scale of a national tragedy, nor is it like the war dead who volunteered to die that we may benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I don't even observe the war ones, so fat chance of me going out of my way for this one. I hate piety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilf Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Serious question, what's the point? It's going to sound harsh, but I never knew these people, they have no connection to me and the event really isn't anything too out of the ordinary in the grand scheme of things. While the death toll was relatively high, London has seen plenty of this stuff over the years, which possibly effects my attitude. Unless you think there is some real significant to how many times we have travelled round the sun since then, 1, 10, 50 for 100 years also has little to no relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilf Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I don't even observe the war ones, so fat chance of me going out of my way for this one. I hate piety. I'll keep my gob shut if I'm in company. But have said before time to draw a line IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Perhaps it's militarisation of the event. The military reception for the coffins is possibly what ISIL want. It turns the dead into returning soldiers, they weren't sunning themselves to defend democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Out of interest who exactly has decreed a minute's observance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 A guy at work was only a few feet away from the bus blast.........got back to work looking as white as a sheet.....total shellshock, a dark day:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilf Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Perhaps it's militarisation of the event. The military reception for the coffins is possibly what ISIL want. It turns the dead into returning soldiers, they weren't sunning themselves to defend democracy. He's talking about the London bombings 10 years ago. I have less of an issue with a minutes silence close to an event as a one off. Although I agree with hotairmail, as with anything over exposure radically reduces the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Wiki informs me that around 500,000 people die in the UK each year, many of them prematurely of course. That's around 1,370 every day. That's an awful lot of minute silences. In fact it's around 23 hours worth per day at the rate of 1 minute per death. So to be fair to everyone we ought to observe 23 hours out of every day in respectful silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Out of interest who exactly has decreed a minute's observance? The queen and your good friend Davie C as far as the media are reporting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Wiki informs me that around 500,000 people die in the UK each year, many of them prematurely of course. That's around 1,370 every day. That's an awful lot of minute silences. In fact it's around 23 hours worth per day at the rate of 1 minute per death. So to be fair to everyone we ought to observe 23 hours out of every day in respectful silence. Perhaps that's how monasteries started.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 A minute's loud music and debauchery would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 When you're at work / school you go along with it. As you do for the countless other minor inconveniences that come with being a member of a large social group. Everybody is allowed to be a full individual on their own time. I would think it odd if somebody at work didn't observe it; similarly I would think it odd if everybody in a shopping precinct suddenly stopped silently for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'll keep my gob shut if I'm in company. But have said before time to draw a line IMO. Not sure if I take your meaning correctly, but there's hardly a year has went by over the last two centuries that British service men and women haven't given their lives. Whether you agree that those lives were well spent is irrelevant imo. If we ever get to a point where X amount of years have passed without loss, then maybe it will be time to draw that line.... although that won't be in my lifetime I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Didn't we have a minutes silence for Diana? If it was good enough for that.... libertine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Not sure if I take your meaning correctly, but there's hardly a year has went by over the last two centuries that British service men and women haven't given their lives. Whether you agree that those lives were well spent is irrelevant imo. If we ever get to a point where X amount have years have passed without loss, then maybe it will be time to draw that line.... although that won't be in my lifetime I fear. Everybody is entitled to their personal view on this. Mine is that it was to commemorate the sheer slaughter of the First World War hence the poppy and the 11am on 11 November timing. Once the last soldier, Harry Patch, died that was it for me in that form. Up until then I had worn a poppy to work that week every year but I don't anymore. People are perfectly entitled to roll up all other conflicts into it if they want but that was not why I was participating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olde guto Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Things like this strike me as being mawkish. Undoubtedly it's a tragedy for the families and friends of those killed, but for the nation as a whole? No, I don't think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 All I know, is that there will be pictures in the media of Muslims doing the 1 minute along with the others. I know that someone will say that is shows solidarity between Secular Britain and Muslims, and that not all Muslims are bad. We are to love our enemy, because next the muslims will be complaining about enforced Diversity on their community with the Anti Terror Act 2015.... why are we picking on them when they are at one with us? Yep, its already started on the BBC: A number of mosques are expected to participate in the silence, and many will also remember the victims during Friday prayers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33375928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I don't really feel connected enough to the event to observe it myself. I didn't know anyone involved personally. It isn't on the scale of a national tragedy, nor is it like the war dead who volunteered to die that we may benefit. The very formal way the coffins are being received back indicates they are victims of a war despite not being soldiers. I'm not sure it's the normal way bodies are repatriated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Didn't we have a minutes silence for Diana? If it was good enough for that.... libertine... It felt much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 All I know, is that there will be pictures in the media of Muslims doing the 1 minute along with the others. I know that someone will say that is shows solidarity between Secular Britain and Muslims, and that not all Muslims are bad. We are to love our enemy, because next the muslims will be complaining about enforced Diversity on their community with the Anti Terror Act 2015.... why are we picking on them when they are at one with us? Yep, its already started on the BBC: A number of mosques are expected to participate in the silence, and many will also remember the victims during Friday prayers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33375928 All this ISIS stuff has made it very clear to me that the Shia muslims are generally sensible and reasonable. Whereas the Sunni muslims aren't. Hence why they keep killing Shia muslims for being nice which is "unislamic". Hence even ISIS' atrocities are a learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 All this ISIS stuff has made it very clear to me that the Shia muslims are generally sensible and reasonable. Whereas the Sunni muslims aren't. Hence why they keep killing Shia muslims for being nice which is "unislamic". Hence even ISIS' atrocities are a learning experience. 85-90% of Muslims are Sunnis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 85-90% of Muslims are Sunnis... Yes, and this is one case where I'm not going to tar them all with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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