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I caught an interview with a Eurocrat on Bloomberg this morning- he was talking about Greece and amid the usual bland waffle managed to say something that was actually quite revealing- it went something like this; " What's happening to the Greeks should make it clear to anyone in other EU countries who is thinking of voting for populist anti austerity parties that they should think again because voting for such parties will not get them what they want- neither the EU nor the Money markets will allow this to happen" I paraphrase somewhat but this is in essence what he said.

So- just to be clear here- the message coming put of the EUSSR is that democracy is dead- that no matter who you vote for the EU apparatchiks and the Money Markets will remain in charge and it will be their agenda that will be carried out- whoever you elect as your Government.

This is probably the most honest statement that any EU representative has made on the Greek Crisis. This was never about the money, it was about humiliating the Greeks for having the temerity to elect a Government that is trying to act in accordance with their wishes instead of following the EU politburo's edicts.

Maybe the Greeks should try a new strategy;

Samson grasped the two middle pillars on which the house rested, and braced himself against them, the one with his right hand and the other with his left. 30And Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" And he bent with all his might so that the house fell on the lords and all the people who were in it.

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The problem with that is if enough countries to go down the populist anti austerity parties, the money markets would collapse, its about numbers. Money is based on the value held by people, if people don't hold any value then is becomes void. If enough parties get into power then the money markets have no choice but to agree to populist anti austerity parties terms, or face collapse. If populist anti austerity parties dont agree to the debt there is nothing that they can do, its the money markets problem not the countries.

Money markets need countries more that countries need money markets, you may thing that Greece is less chance, in fact it has more power than it thinks, its the money markets that have less power, however it doesn't look like it but once you start to dig deep you'll be surprised.

Germany et al know this and are trying to scare the Greeks into agreeing, look how long its being going on for don't you think they would have ended it if the could, they can't end it, they are trying to force Greece, it would have happened now after years of disputes, Germany knows this, there is nothing she can do, the side favors Greece.

Edited by crash2006

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So- just to be clear here- the message coming put of the EUSSR is that democracy is dead- that no matter who you vote for the EU apparatchiks and the Money Markets will remain in charge and it will be their agenda that will be carried out- whoever you elect as your Government.

It's an illusion that we in Europe have ever had democracy. But maybe democracy is a bit of a veil that covers the unpleasantness of state-ism - so dispelling the illusion is maybe no bad thing.

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Bertolt Brecht once argued (ironically) that the electorate needed to dissolved for failing to live up to the ideals of the Communist Party.

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It's EU that's deluded. They were foolish enough to lend to Greece and then continue with extend and pretend. If Greek defaults the illusion of the EU dies along with the Euro.

Can't pay your creditors £10,000 it's your problem, can't pay £100,000,000 it's theirs.

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They can say what they want but its just air. The EU literally has nothing to offer Greece. I really think the only thing from keeping the talks going is Syriza's pledge it made to its voters to stay in the EU. Perhaps next time people will wise up and vote for the party that wants to leave the first time round. Any power Germany and the money markets think they have over the Greek mob is pure fantasy.

Greece will suffer short term like Iceland (default) or long term as part of the EU (default a little bit). Either way Germany and the money markets are taking a massive hit at some point.

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Have a look at house price inflation in Iceland since 2008 and compare to EZ countries. Iceland is more like the UK than the EU when it comes to house prices as would Greece be. Still on a forum where the majority of posters cannot afford a house then why would anyone advocate having an economy based on the EU model where housing is more affordable when you can have an economy where housing continues to be unaffordable. The central banks of London an Reyjkavik and maybe Athens will see to that.

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Have a look at house price inflation in Iceland since 2008 and compare to EZ countries. Iceland is more like the UK than the EU when it comes to house prices as would Greece be. Still on a forum where the majority of posters cannot afford a house then why would anyone advocate having an economy based on the EU model where housing is more affordable when you can have an economy where housing continues to be unaffordable. The central banks of London an Reyjkavik and maybe Athens will see to that.

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Europe knows best for the Greeks? Pull the other one.

Like playing chess, the obvious move often leads to a path that ends in defeat. Greece needs to be thinking long term and not fall into the UK trap of believing that printing it's own currency to create short term booms solves anything in the long term.

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Have a look at house price inflation in Iceland since 2008 and compare to EZ countries. Iceland is more like the UK than the EU when it comes to house prices as would Greece be. Still on a forum where the majority of posters cannot afford a house then why would anyone advocate having an economy based on the EU model where housing is more affordable when you can have an economy where housing continues to be unaffordable. The central banks of London an Reyjkavik and maybe Athens will see to that.

Iceland has never been in the Euro or the EU so what the hell has it got to do with the situation in Greece.

Anyway two to three bedroom apartments in central Reykjavik are much cheaper than they are in Paris or any other major EU capital.

http://ee24.com/iceland/?search=country_18&rooms_max=3&rooms_min=2

http://ee24.com/france/ile-de-france/paris/?search=city_33589&rooms_max=3&rooms_min=2

Edited by stormymonday_2011

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The mere fact that these crazies claim to speak for "the markets" (a concept so alien from their thinking and dogmatic beliefs that the word may as well not exist for them) and the EU is laughable. The undemocratic nature of the EU is becoming harder and harder to mask, thanks to these financial "crises" and it's outbursts like these that show the true colours of the EU. The EUrocrats need to learn that they would not exist if it wasn't for the taxpayers in 28 European countries and as such, it's those countries who call the shots, not some overpaid pen pusher in Brussels.

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The mere fact that these crazies claim to speak for "the markets" (a concept so alien from their thinking and dogmatic beliefs that the word may as well not exist for them) and the EU is laughable. The undemocratic nature of the EU is becoming harder and harder to mask, thanks to these financial "crises" and it's outbursts like these that show the true colours of the EU. The EUrocrats need to learn that they would not exist if it wasn't for the taxpayers in 28 European countries and as such, it's those countries who call the shots, not some overpaid pen pusher in Brussels.

That's why they want the EU. You can't get them out and the elected representative can do what they like and then say 'it came from the EU, what can we do?'.

It's a very bad joke, that's not very funny.

Democracy while in the EU? You're have a giraffe!

There's some f**king c**k suckers somewhere in the world pulling the strings and all they want is power, money (for them), death and despair (for us). A vote for the EU is a vote for slavery.

Edited by XswampyX

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Have a look at house price inflation in Iceland since 2008 and compare to EZ countries. Iceland is more like the UK than the EU when it comes to house prices as would Greece be. Still on a forum where the majority of posters cannot afford a house then why would anyone advocate having an economy based on the EU model where housing is more affordable when you can have an economy where housing continues to be unaffordable. The central banks of London an Reyjkavik and maybe Athens will see to that.

How much of that house price inflation has been funded by EU banks? The reality is that home ownership has never been as popular on the continent as it is in the UK, so you are comparing apples with oranges.

The EU has failed the test, it is over. This may take years to play out but it's done. The crisis has exposed it for what it is, an anti democratic quasi dictatorship that draws it's authority not from democracy but from it's obeisance to the needs of globalized capital.

I saw Dijsselbloem's face tonight on TV- he did not look happy- his masters in the financial markets will not be pleased by the collective failure of the EU to control the democratically elected government of Greece.

Now- true to type- they will do what all fascists ultimately resort to to get their way- terrorisation of the population- they will seek to bring down the Greek banks in the hope that they can cower the Greeks into obedience.

All that remains of the ideals that supposedly lay at the heart of EU are the outward forms of democratic legitimacy- the substance has been corroded away by the acid of neo liberal financial idolatry.

Whoever these people work for I know one thing- it's not for ordinary people, not in Greece and not anywhere.

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