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Migrant Backlash Grows As Italy Arrivals Top 50,000

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Italy's wealthy north vowed Sunday it would refuse to take in any more migrants as thousands more were rescued in the Mediterranean by a multinational flotilla of ships, lifting this year's total of new arrivals on Italian soil to more than 50,000.

As another frantic weekend of rescues unfolded, nearly 6,000 people were plucked to safety from packed fishing boats and rubber dinghies off Libya.

Mass drowning in the Mediterranean has claimed nearly 1,800 lives so far this year.

All those rescued will be deposited at Sicilian ports or elsewhere in southern Italy in the coming days, placing more strain on the country’s already stretched migrant facilities as complaints mount about the cost and other problems involved in processing the new arrivals.

The latest batch sent the migration crisis back to the top of the political agenda with three big northern regions vowing to defy the centre-left government of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi by refusing to house any of the new arrivals.

Lombardy president Roberto Maroni said he would be writing to local mayors and prefects in his region on Monday to warn them not to accept any more "illegal immigrants" allocated by the government.

Municipalities that did not toe the line would have their funding from the region cut, he said.

Giovanni Toti, the newly-elected president of Liguria, backed that stance.

"We will not receive any more migrants," he said.

Luca Zaia, the right-wing president of Veneto, said the region that includes Venice was "like a bomb ready to go off. The social tensions are absolutely crazy."

500,000 'crossing this summer'

Italy's coastguard said 2,371 people had been rescued on Sunday and 3,480 on Saturday.

There were no reports of casualties but one Italian navy boat ferrying 475 migrants rescued on Saturday to Sicily reported that it had seven pregnant women on board.

Among the ships participating in the weekend’s rescue efforts was the British navy ship HMS Bulwark, which plucked more than 1,000 migrants Sunday from boats in waters between Italy and Libya. At least 10 pregnant women were saved.

The ship’s captain, Nick Cooke-Priest, warned that hundreds of thousands more could attempt to make the perilous crossing to Italy this summer.

“Indications are there that there are 450,000 to 500,000 migrants in Libya who are waiting at the border” to make the voyage Mediterranean, he said.

Also aboard the Bulwark, part of a multi-nation patrol and rescue force, was British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon.

“We could see hundreds of thousands trying to cross this summer,” Fallon told reporters.

According to the International Organisation for Migration, nearly 1,800 migrants have drowned attempting to make the crossing since the start of this year, including some 800 in an April sinking that was the biggest maritime disaster in the Mediterranean since World War II.

European Union governments reacted by sending more boats to patrol the area.

But they have been unable to agree on a longer-term strategy to ease the migration crisis amid divisions over how to combat traffickers and spread asylum seekers fairly across member states.

Breaking point

"We cannot simply deal with the symptoms of this problem. We must go after the route cause and the trafficking gangs behind it who are making money out of human misery," Fallon said.

The international naval effort was a successful "temporary" measure, he said.

"But now it's time for Europe as a whole to work together to agree a solution, before we see a greater loss of life."

The 50,000 figure represents an increase of around 10 percent on the same period last year, which, after a summer surge, ended with an unprecedented total of 170,000 migrants arriving on Italian soil.

The country's reception facilities are at breaking point with nearly 80,000 asylum seekers or recently arrived migrants currently accommodated across the country.

Government attempts to get regions to open new facilities are increasingly running into opposition, mainly from right-wing politicians but also at a grassroots level from communities which don't want refugees housed in their neighbourhoods.

The small Alpine region of Val d'Aosta has refused to take any more, citing a lack of adequate facilities.

If Lombardy, Veneto and the Riviera region of Liguria act on their threats to follow suit, the government will have a major problem on its hands. The government is also grappling with growing evidence that organised crime has been siphoning off public funds allocated for the accommodation of migrants during their processing.

http://m.france24.com/en/20150608-migrant-italy-backlash-grows-europe-mediterranean-sea-drownings?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=FB&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=editorial&aef_campaign_ref=partage_aef&aef_campaign_date=2015-06-08

Can't say I was fooled by two representatives of Save The Children who were giving interviews to the press last month and saying that the EU must have an open door for people coming across the Mediterranean from North Africa, citing they were fleeing from terror such as IS, the BBC then showed shots of the rescued, who came from Bangladesh, Nigeria..... in other words economic migrants. No wonder the migrant camp at Calais has gone from 200 to 2000! Nearly forgot the UN is critical of the EU states for not being accommodating enough, maybe the UN would like to pay the bill?

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the BBC then showed shots of the rescued, who came from Bangladesh, Nigeria..... in other words economic migrants.

....many on their way to the UK - having English as our first language has been our great disadvantage when it comes to immigration. That, and being super-generous with benefits to those who've just arrived (no matter how much Cameron huffs and puffs about it)

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Anything stopping the Italians giving the all Italian citizenship and putting them on a bus to Britain.

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Anything stopping the Italians giving the all Italian citizenship and putting them on a bus to Britain.

Nothing much, lucky the UK isn't in Schengen which at least gives a bit of protection. Turin has really changed over the last couple of years. The Olympic village, which was going to house young Italians is well past full with Asylum seekers. A practical impact of the current madcap policy.

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Its not a perfect barrier but thankfully we have the channel..this situation will get worse though, as time goes on. Why would anyone want to stay in North Africa if they have the money to travel to Europe and Shangrila.....

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Its not a perfect barrier but thankfully we have the channel..this situation will get worse though...

Well, the logical extension of the current policy is for the Royal Migrant Ferry Service to search for anyone swimming off Calais and give them a lift. To be followed by fast tracked on-board citizenship.

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Its not a perfect barrier but thankfully we have the channel..this situation will get worse though, as time goes on. Why would anyone want to stay in North Africa if they have the money to travel to Europe and Shangrila.....

Especially when we've helped to turn much of it into a warzone.

However 50,000 is essentially a small town, it's completely unsustainable.

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Its not a perfect barrier but thankfully we have the channel..this situation will get worse though, as time goes on. Why would anyone want to stay in North Africa if they have the money to travel to Europe and Shangrila.....

All it would take is the French to stop policing their ports and for lots of boat owners to accidentally leave the keys in the ignition, or even not allow British border officials to work on French territory - think Dunkirk.

The British policy of being Billy no mates is a very dangerous one, especially if Britain walks off if a huff because it doesn't get its own way. Don't expect the French to be too happy about Britain then coming around wanting to play keep the migrants in Calais.

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The UN and various other organisation are always saying that immigrants always bring economic benefits, so shouldn't they be welcomed with open arms.

The EU, if it does believe in these benefits, be directing these valuable individuals to the PIGGs. In fact with the UK and for that matter Germany doing better than the rest of the EU be banned from accepting any of these new arrivals. Surely the EU should step in and demand that at least the UK close its borders to prevent us from denying the rest of EU.

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A lot of the turmoil and broken borders in the region is down to UK military action in the region eg Iraq and Libya (and further back the British Empire).

Is there a solution? Not sure, but creating broken states is not the answer. Maybe creating stable societies where people see an economic future? (maybe that is asking too much though)

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Remind me again what Australia does.

Kill off most of the indigeneous population, then export bar workers en masse to work in London illegally?? :)

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A lot of the turmoil and broken borders in the region is down to UK military action in the region eg Iraq and Libya (and further back the British Empire).

Is there a solution? Not sure, but creating broken states is not the answer. Maybe creating stable societies where people see an economic future? (maybe that is asking too much though)

Complete nonsense.

The British army was not involved in Syria where many of these people are coming from, and Qaddafi would have been only too happy to create problems for Europe by hosting the launch sites. This is the typical diversionary red herring that the left continually trots out to hide the fact that this problem has a very simple solution. Stop paying people enormous sums of money to risk their lives by launching off into the Med in rickety boats.

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Complete nonsense.

The British army was not involved in Syria where many of these people are coming from, and Qaddafi would have been only too happy to create problems for Europe by hosting the launch sites. This is the typical diversionary red herring that the left continually trots out to hide the fact that this problem has a very simple solution. Stop paying people enormous sums of money to risk their lives by launching off into the Med in rickety boats.

There was a vote for an campaign but it was defeated. Meantime allies in the wars over there have been feeding arms and support to parties that were supposed to be supporting general political/military aims and then we find out they have actually been providing support to ISIS, ISIL / whatever they are called. So indirectly, yes there has been inclufence, involvement that has probably caused more fleeing populations.

In fact I do wonder at times whether it is a partial aim to displace cheap migrant labour who can also be used as a smokescreen and excuse for not being able to run a country, Consecutive parties have played a disgraceful part in ******ing over younger generations almost before they even start off in life,

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They all need to be sent back. Immediately.

Anyone who makes it to shore should be sent back. Boats in the sea with migrants in them should be ignored or pushed back to where they came from.

All rescue operations should cease at once. Now that the immigrants know they will be rescued their numbers will increase. It is important that they understand that they have no chance of making to Europe. They will either be stuck in the middle of the sea or, if they make it shore, returned immediately to where they came from.

It's the only way.

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They all need to be sent back. Immediately.

TPTB disagree, they need migrants to bolster the economy.

The 3 million+ people here without jobs plus all the pensioners need looking after.

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TPTB disagree, they need migrants to bolster the economy.

The 3 million+ people here without jobs plus all the pensioners need looking after.

While all the people here with jobs can go hang apparently.

The government is very bad at priorities.

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The EU has one of two options to choose:

Option 1: House the whole of North Africa in Europe

Option 2: Patrol as close to the shorelines of Libya as is safe, and intercept the migrants, turning them back. If they have to be picked up, they need to be returned from where they came from.

At the moment they are leaning towards Option 1: all the migrants need to do is get into a crap boat and they will be picked up. The more migrants that realise that, the more will come. Eventually they will all come. If you are going to stop the flow, the ports need to be flooded with people saying "yes, we paid £1000 to get across, but we got caught by a huge naval presence and got returned to the beach".

I can see that you can't just let people drown, but they need to be far more robust in the response once people are rescued.

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All it would take is the French to stop policing their ports and for lots of boat owners to accidentally leave the keys in the ignition, or even not allow British border officials to work on French territory - think Dunkirk.

The British policy of being Billy no mates is a very dangerous one, especially if Britain walks off if a huff because it doesn't get its own way. Don't expect the French to be too happy about Britain then coming around wanting to play keep the migrants in Calais.

the french don't have a lot of choice either..the southern bit is quite close to tunisia, which is also a bit unstable.

spain, likewise with morocco.

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Car crash of a policy which will ultimately lead to more deaths as more try it on with the carrot being dangled. Not to mention a huge burden on European tax-payers to support the asylum cases of 100'000s of persons a year. I really do have major concerns about the quality of immigration coming into the EU. legal or otherwise. Aren't we reliant on these people to keep the ponzi going for our own pensions and to keep Britain and the E.U at the top of the world, I have my doubts and their numbers grow larger.

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This open door migration policy is our generations equivalent of the disarmament movements of the 20's and 30's. When the bloodshed starts in Europe, make sure you can hold your head up high and say you never bought into - or supported - those that lead to the humanitarian disaster that is coming.

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As humanitarians we should welcome them all. As long as they are housed in Labour voting constituencies. You could also camp one or two million next door to Cameron.

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