Guest UK Debt Slave Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It works like this: 1A.Labour Party policy: Grab Englishman by the scruff of the neck and rub excrement into his face 1B. Conservative Party Policy: Grab Englishman by the scruff of the neck and rub excrement into his face 2. LAUGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Looking around Northampton, I see a lot of retirement-age eastern Europeans fresh off the coach. There seems to be this thing of bringing the whole family over. I see three generations of family members coming here. Lots of eastern European grandparents taking their grandkids to the parks. I'm guessing they are all entitled to a UK state pension immediately? If so, can we call them frontier-retirees? Think of all that cash going back to the homeland. Its not just Northampton, i work in a large food factory 1000+ employees, a 50/50 mix of immigrants and locals, i have seen agency's sent immigrants who can hardly walk to satisfy numbers required and make sure they get there hours in to enable tax credits, they have been told not to sent these people again because of their health but suspect they have just get sent to another factory to work to again gain their hours for benefits. The government need to crack down on these agencies,employers, landlords who purposely import and manipulate immigration for their own benefit and not that of our country and our people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I am serious, the flats are being chopped up to hoover up Housing Benefit, not because there is real demand for the space. The landlord of the place I lived in didn't accept housing benefit, so anecdotally, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Its not just Northampton, i work in a large food factory 1000+ employees, a 50/50 mix of immigrants and locals, i have seen agency's sent immigrants who can hardly walk to satisfy numbers required and make sure they get there hours in to enable tax credits, they have been told not to sent these people again because of their health but suspect they have just get sent to another factory to work to again gain their hours for benefits. The government need to crack down on these agencies,employers, landlords who purposely import and manipulate immigration for their own benefit and not that of our country and our people. LIbLabCon don't give a shit. They want a free for all and so do their paymasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UK Debt Slave Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 LIbLabCon don't give a shit. They want a free for all and so do their paymasters. I'm amazed how brazen they are in their determination to destroy this nation and even more amazed how the English people allow themselves to be passively trodden into the ground It's appalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy1305 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 In all fairness, there is little the government can do about it, it's a situation of their own making. EU means open doors. It just does. WTC's is open to be abused, so it is. The government is so consumed in distorting the Unemployment figures, so they can claim their way is working, they're either ignoring the big elephant in the room or can't see it: growing benefits bill, lower tax take, more migrants. Short of leaving the EU, which they'll not do, they can't take away the basic tenet of the EU which is freedom to move, which is also freedom to trade and work! Remove WTC's and people will not work and claim unemployment benefit, as they've been here long enough now (6 months of NICs to get IS/JSA). Leave EU and there's 30% of business which will leave. I think we're fooked if we do, fooked if we don't. I say we... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATH Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do they break it down anywhere who the people leaving Britain are? There must be a lot of people paying their UK Pension money into foreign economies and not seeking work. I doubt many people from other EU countries retire here and pay pension money into our economy. The electric and water companies will be moaning soon about there being too much "demand" (wonder why?) and how we all have to pay extra to boost the infrastructure etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeTrader Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do they break it down anywhere who the people leaving Britain are? Of the estimated 323,000 emigrants in 2014, 139,000 of these were British (43%), and the remainder were split roughly 50-50 between EU and non-EU citizens. The last official detailed study on emigration trends was Research Report 68 from the Home Office (November 2012). The largest group of British citizens emigrating has been those with a professional or managerial background, and by some margin Australia has been topping the list as the country of destination for the past 20 years (at least). Australia also has the most resident UK-born citizens: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 All those top-10 countries enforce a skills/asset based entry policy. The UK does not. Wonder why we end up with lots of unemployable EE and sub-continental trash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do they break it down anywhere who the people leaving Britain are? There must be a lot of people paying their UK Pension money into foreign economies and not seeking work. I doubt many people from other EU countries retire here and pay pension money into our economy. The electric and water companies will be moaning soon about there being too much "demand" (wonder why?) and how we all have to pay extra to boost the infrastructure etc. If they are going to many other countries EG Australia they must be skilled and young or wealthy.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmellow Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 All those top-10 countries enforce a skills/asset based entry policy. The UK does not. Wonder why we end up with lots of unemployable EE and sub-continental trash? 3rd world shit immigation isn't just a problem in the UK People who think France, Germany, Scandinavia etc dont have shitloads of useless immigrants just like Britain does is quite frankly deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yeah, because what used to be houses for one family have been chopped up into little tiny flats, with some couples literally living 2 to a room. I should know, I've lived in suchlike for much of my life. I even lived 2 to a room for year. Plenty of people are leaving, that's why the number is NET migration. Seriously, FFS. Couldn't agree more, a house goes down, a block of flats take its place, rent a room schemes and incentives abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwiches33 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I thought we had a plan? make this place as shit as possible so everyone leaves? I thought it was deliberate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 3rd world shit immigation isn't just a problem in the UK People who think France, Germany, Scandinavia etc dont have shitloads of useless immigrants just like Britain does is quite frankly deluded A bit. But they do not house them in one of the world's most expensive cities. And give them 26k forworking 16h. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 David Cameron today used a speech at the Home Office to set out plans to crackdown on illegal workers and stop migrants from stalling deportation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 ...so who will cover the cost to deport them?....do they deport their wives/husbands/children?.....where will they deport them to if they hold no passport? When someone comes to work legally or get a job after attending college (if they happen to attend lessons, or if the college even exists) do their family, wives, parents, uncles, aunts, children if they have them join them whether any of them have a job or not, whether they can support themselves or not? .....lots of questions.....so many different ways and different answers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 ...so who will cover the cost to deport them?....do they deport their wives/husbands/children?.....where will they deport them to if they hold no passport? When someone comes to work legally or get a job after attending college (if they happen to attend lessons, or if the college even exists) do their family, wives, parents, uncles, aunts, children if they have them join them whether any of them have a job or not, whether they can support themselves or not? .....lots of questions.....so many different ways and different answers..... If they can't find work they'll soon f**k off. Draconian fines and prison sentences for those who employ illegals is the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If they can't find work they'll soon f**k off. Draconian fines and prison sentences for those who employ illegals is the way forward. I don't think most will leave if illegal.....for a start most of them don't have anything to go back to, they may not have to fare money, and anyway they can't leave the country without a passport or identification. if they want to change the system to a contribution based system surely if someone legally working from outside EU wants to bring family over they should show they can house and support them financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherebee Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I don't think most will leave if illegal.....for a start most of them don't have anything to go back to, they may not have to fare money, and anyway they can't leave the country without a passport or identification. if they want to change the system to a contribution based system surely if someone legally working from outside EU wants to bring family over they should show they can house and support them financially. Plus being poor in the UK is still much better than being poor in many many places. risk of starvation/murder here close to zero. This will not end well - and I can't even see a solution that would work now. You can't take the salt out of the soup after you have stirred it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah-so Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Well there are lots of different sources of non-EU visitors. We've got: * Joe Taxi Driver bringing back Ting Tong from Thailand - he will be checked thoroughly * Abdul from Bangladesh - 'studying' in the UK but never returning home - unlikely to be caught, large numbers in this category * Vitesh from Bangalore - working in IT for RBS because he's much cheaper than a UK citizen, there will always be around 100k of these workers every year * Chang from China - who wants to come here and spend lots of money on overpriced designer crap - we'll probably put him off and he'll go to Paris instead * Mohammed from Afghanistan - trying to claim asylum - not that numerous in fact Overall, if it was just the non-EU we'd hit our immigration targets no problem, but David Cameron is powerless over the EU numbers, which are what are driving the immigration. And don't forget W from Japan who met her husband while working in Japan and eventually agreed to go to England despite its ugly, borish people with their bad manners and sense of superiority, despite being an island where it is nearly impossible to buy fresh fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATH Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If they are going to many other countries EG Australia they must be skilled and young or wealthy.! I remember my brother applying for Australian residence about 20 years back, a few of the things he needed: A Qualification they sought - Quantity Surveyor Proof of an Actual Job Offer in Australia £10k (todays equiv) in a bank account Aids Test Chest X-Ray - To show no TB Police Clearance - No Criminal Record Interview at Embassy 2 References from notable community members It is worth noting the UK let people live here: No qualifications No job offer No savings Aids or TB - You're welcome Wife murderer - no problemo Forget interviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomberbrown Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Work in IT and you'll see some social engineering going on. This year, genuinely, I have never seen so many Indians working in the UK for IT purposes, all getting living and working visas, all settling down, all working for lower rates... That's what we all voted for. This ^ The British born kids not only don't stand a chance, they've not been invested in. 13 years of New Labour saw to that but the Tories weren't much cop post Thatcher either to be honest. It's a complete mess to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedupTeddiBear Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I remember my brother applying for Australian residence about 20 years back, a few of the things he needed: A Qualification they sought - Quantity Surveyor Proof of an Actual Job Offer in Australia £10k (todays equiv) in a bank account Aids Test Chest X-Ray - To show no TB Police Clearance - No Criminal Record Interview at Embassy 2 References from notable community members It is worth noting the UK let people live here: No qualifications No job offer No savings Aids or TB - You're welcome Wife murderer - no problemo Forget interviews Loads with AIDS / TB come here from Southern Africa because they can't get adequate free treatment in their own countries. Turn up on "holiday" and never leave. A little more difficult now that they need to pay £300 for a visa in addition to the £600 plane fare, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 David Cameron today used a speech at the Home Office to set out plans to crackdown on illegal workers and stop migrants from stalling deportation. It`s the legal ones that are the problem , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf-02 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 In all fairness, there is little the government can do about it, it's a situation of their own making. EU means open doors. It just does. WTC's is open to be abused, so it is. They can easily do many things. They can make tax credits contribution-based, eg needing say 3 years pay in first before claiming, as other EU states do on welfare so people cannot claim quickly after arriving. And most immigration is still non-EU, where they have power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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