TheCountOfNowhere Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 It seems the cuts have been delayed. Let me guess, housing benefits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 in case you think I've gone mad and made it up http://news.sky.com/story/1514982/budget-to-slow-pace-of-welfare-cuts-sky-sources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Osborne is such a lightweight. Just for comparison Denis Healey cut public spending by 3.9% in one year in 1976-77. That would be over £25 billion in cuts at today's levels of government expenditure. Edited July 7, 2015 by stormymonday_2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Osborne is such a lightweight. Just for comparison Denis Healey cut public spending by 3.9% in one year in 1977. That would be over £25 billion in cuts at today's levels of government expenditure. Osborne should be in prison IMHO, or at the very least be investigated by the fraud squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 1977? Plenty happening but not so much abroad. 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) I think its almost certain as well the freeze on increases in working age benefits will last at least three years,and not two.The problem these cuts have though is they dont affect anyone not working apart from the freezes. What sort of things would you suggest in that area? Where are the main problems? I don't even know how much you can claim if you aren't working, especially if you have children. Edited July 7, 2015 by oldsport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamborn Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Osborne is such a lightweight. Just for comparison Denis Healey cut public spending by 3.9% in one year in 1976-77. That would be over £25 billion in cuts at today's levels of government expenditure. And we had a much nicer summer , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Osborne is such a lightweight. Just for comparison Denis Healey cut public spending by 3.9% in one year in 1976-77. That would be over £25 billion in cuts at today's levels of government expenditure. Didn't Healey inherit a total basket case from the Tories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamborn Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 What sort of things would you suggest in that area? Where are the main problems? I don't even know how much you can claim if you aren't working, especially if you have children. The most important change is a two child limit.Id slice child tax credit down to £38 a week per child as well.That would solve most of the problems but still keep a safety net. The problem is because Brown made them so generous there is no point working for people with more than one child unless you earn £35k+. If Osborne doesnt tackle it tomorrow he will regret it because there is no way they can close the deficit with tax credits as they are. Whatever the papers say,a two child limit and the removal of most/all working tax credit would solve most of the problems.Lets see what we get tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The most important change is a two child limit.Id slice child tax credit down to £38 a week per child as well.That would solve most of the problems but still keep a safety net. The problem is because Brown made them so generous there is no point working for people with more than one child unless you earn £35k+. If Osborne doesnt tackle it tomorrow he will regret it because there is no way they can close the deficit with tax credits as they are. Whatever the papers say,a two child limit and the removal of most/all working tax credit would solve most of the problems.Lets see what we get tomorrow. I still think he'll go for contributory ESA - it's an easy target that most people won't understand so won't cause too much outrage - that would save him £5bn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Didn't Healey inherit a total basket case from the Tories? Healey's predecessor as Chancellor was the Conservative,Anthony Barber, author of the Barber boom in 1972 and probably the first UK house price bubble I can remember. By 1973 it all went spectacularly wrong and inflation was climbing to over 20%. In fact though Labour and the Union movement get blamed for many of the economic problems of the 1970s more than a few of them were originally created by Ted Heath's Tory Goverment which ran the country from 1970 to early 1974. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf-02 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I expect him to hit the disabled, jobseekers even more (if possible) and the young. Nothing to really hurt landlords or big business and those milking high living costs in the UK - so minimal on Housing benefit and tax credits for the families costing a bomb. The deficit doesn't reduce? He got away with missing targets massively from 2010 to 2015 with the media and public. Why not again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamborn Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Frank Field sticking the well deserved knife into Brown http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11720057/Budget-2015-Gordon-Browns-tax-credits-monster-must-be-slain.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I expect him to hit the disabled, jobseekers even more (if possible) and the young. Nothing to really hurt landlords or big business and those milking high living costs in the UK - so minimal on Housing benefit and tax credits for the families costing a bomb. The deficit doesn't reduce? He got away with missing targets massively from 2010 to 2015 with the media and public. Why not again? Osborne trick is to talk tough but to do the opposite and hope the financial markets don't notice. Thanks to the likes of the EU and Greece playing elaborate parlour games on debt negotiation for the best part of 5 years he has got away with it. Unfortunately, Syriza by actually defaulting may have called Osborne's bluff as well as the EUs. Moreover, events in China town are going to have an even bigger impact on the world economy. I expect Osbornes number to be coming up in the next 18 months unless he is very lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) The most important change is a two child limit.Id slice child tax credit down to £38 a week per child as well.That would solve most of the problems but still keep a safety net. The problem is because Brown made them so generous there is no point working for people with more than one child unless you earn £35k+. If Osborne doesnt tackle it tomorrow he will regret it because there is no way they can close the deficit with tax credits as they are. Whatever the papers say,a two child limit and the removal of most/all working tax credit would solve most of the problems.Lets see what we get tomorrow. I think the important change will be bumping up the hours rapidly. Technically, you are not cutting benefits. Just making people work more for them, saving say another 20 x NMW/week. Edited July 8, 2015 by spyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Frank Field sticking the well deserved knife into Brown http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11720057/Budget-2015-Gordon-Browns-tax-credits-monster-must-be-slain.html Im waiting for a lot more knives and bigger one than that. Brown has destroyed the Labour party; they'll be lucky to last as a party. I would guess people are only holding back their memoirs because Labour are on life support and do not want to pull the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Healey's predecessor as Chancellor was the Conservative,Anthony Barber, author of the Barber boom in 1972 and probably the first UK house price bubble I can remember. By 1973 it all went spectacularly wrong and inflation was climbing to over 20%. In fact though Labour and the Union movement get blamed for many of the economic problems of the 1970s more than a few of them were originally created by Ted Heath's Tory Goverment which ran the country from 1970 to early 1974. Barber fcked up. Quite small by Brown's standard but it was the first political fck up since WWII Then the oil crisis arrived, which fcked up the UK more - a lesson in dealing with crisis' when they happen rather than hoping stuff will work out. Then Labour fcked up the nexus between politics and organised Labour/Unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 And we had a much nicer summer , ? Haven't you heard, this is the hottest summer EVER!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamborn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Ok my predictions on what he will do. He will limit child tax credit to two children from next April.He will not cut child tax credits. He will eliminate working tax credit or at least cut it in half over three years.He will do this as a straighforward abolition or by lowering the level means testing kicks in from £6400 to £1000.He will tie this in to uplifts in the personal allowance. He will freeze working age benefits for three years instead of two and maybe all five. He will change the single room rate for housing benefit from up to 35 years old up to 50 years old. He will make all housing benefit claims pay 10% of their rents by lowering the benefit to 90% of the applicable rent. He will change hours rules especially for couples. He will be able to claim they didnt cut child tax credits,but the affect for someone with two children working 20 hours will be a cut in tax credits from £210 a week to £130 a week or £170 a week depending on if working tax credit is cut in half,or abolished. Edited July 8, 2015 by durhamborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamborn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 ? Haven't you heard, this is the hottest summer EVER!!!! Did the BBC say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 The most important change is a two child limit.Id slice child tax credit down to £38 a week per child as well.That would solve most of the problems but still keep a safety net. The problem is because Brown made them so generous there is no point working for people with more than one child unless you earn £35k+. If Osborne doesnt tackle it tomorrow he will regret it because there is no way they can close the deficit with tax credits as they are. Whatever the papers say,a two child limit and the removal of most/all working tax credit would solve most of the problems.Lets see what we get tomorrow. Well the Holby City writers certainly laid it on thick last night - poor Fletch evicted for being unable to pay his rent, despite his senior nurse's pay and whatever his four kids would be bringing in on the TC front.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 None of the tax credits cuts will be retrospective though just for new claimants. And i think these will be pushed back to post 2018 judging by BBC report this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 No good. Needs to be reduced for all cases otherwise everyone will then have exactly two children and we're back to square one! Do not agree....withdrawal of benefits will not stop people having children....why, in poorer countries with no benefits they continue to have children......the more children the richer you will be....long-term thinking. Something we fail to do in this country.....not past five years anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Do not agree....withdrawal of benefits will not stop people having children....why, in poorer countries with no benefits they continue to have children......the more children the richer you will be....long-term thinking. Something we fail to do in this country.....not past five years anyway. Before banks existed...people had children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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