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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-candidates-andy-burnham-tristram-hunt-liz-kendall-yvette-cooper-mary-creagh-oxbridge-10256563.html

Labour is suffering one of the “great crises” of its history and may “never” be able to win an election again, but as the party prepares for a bruising leadership election it can at least take solace in the fact that all five candidates have one thing in common – they all went to Oxbridge.

The battle lines have been drawn between the prospective heirs to Ed Miliband’s throne, with Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Mary Creagh, Tristram Hunt and Liz Kendall all attending an unofficial Progress hustings event in central London.

The party needs to win back vast swathes of the public if it has any chance of coming back from its disastrous general election result in five years’ time, but if education is anything to go by there’s little breadth on choice for who is going to lead that process.

All studied humanities, with Ms Cooper and Ms Creagh reading PPE and Modern Languages respectively at Oxford. Mr Burnham read English at Cambridge, and Mr Hunt and Ms Kendall actually read the same subject – both History at Cambridge.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/12-charts-that-show-just-how-different-the-tory-cabinet-is-to-the-people-it-claims-to-represent-10244001.html?origin=internalSearch

Britain is supposed to have a representative government - but just how similar is it to the rest of the population?

Going to university at Oxford or Cambridge is a very rare thing: according to the Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission fewer than 1% of the population has gone to one of Britain's two elite universities.

Some might argue that Oxbridge are the best universities – and it's a good thing to have people from them in government.

Critics would say it's difficult to represent modern Britain or guarantee cognitive diversity when you've all had been hanging out in the same student union bars.

55% of the current cabinet went to Oxbridge.

It appears that we the people have a choice to elect one person from Oxbridge or another Oxbridge graduate. If this really is the best Oxbridge can do the best thing is to take a bulldozer and get rid of them both. Or we need more radical action that only 10% of cabinet posts can be Oxbridge filled, that could make things perhaps a little more interesting.

Although I suppose this reflects mates rates and they are all looking after each other.

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I am afraid these planks went to posher universities than I did, and they still can't work a toaster! :o

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I am afraid these planks went to posher universities than I did, and they still can't work a toaster! :o

Yes. The real problem is not that these bozos went to Oxbridge, but that they're claiming they should be telling others what to do in a high-tech economy, with their English and Politics degrees.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-candidates-andy-burnham-tristram-hunt-liz-kendall-yvette-cooper-mary-creagh-oxbridge-10256563.html

55% of the current cabinet went to Oxbridge.

If this really is the best Oxbridge can do the best thing is to take a bulldozer and get rid of them both.

Logical fallacy alert.

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Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission

Jesus Christ <_<

The man in the street already knew this.

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The oxbridge thing is just an indicator that they come from a moneyed background, so choosing a political career rather than a more highly paid position in the City (the real decision makers) is something they can afford to do.

Or maybe its a case of "too thick to get into the city... become a politician instead"

A bigger issue I think is the fact that they have all studied the same set of subjects - History/English/Politics, why can't we have some Scientists or Engineers in government - people who actually have some idea how things work?

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The oxbridge thing is just an indicator that they come from a moneyed background, so choosing a political career rather than a more highly paid position in the City (the real decision makers) is something they can afford to do.

Or maybe its a case of "too thick to get into the city... become a politician instead"

A bigger issue I think is the fact that they have all studied the same set of subjects - History/English/Politics, why can't we have some Scientists or Engineers in government - people who actually have some idea how things work?

Yes because that worked brilliantly last time a British PM was a Science graduate.

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Yes because that worked brilliantly last time a British PM was a Science graduate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

Margaret Roberts attended Huntingtower Road Primary School and won a scholarship to Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School.[6] Her school reports showed hard work and continual improvement; her extracurricular activities included the piano, field hockey, poetry recitals, swimming and walking.[7][8] She was head girl in 1942–1943.[9] In her upper sixth year she applied for a scholarship to study chemistry at Somerville College, Oxford, but she was initially rejected and was offered a place only after another candidate withdrew.[10][11] Roberts arrived at Oxford in 1943 and graduated in 1947 with Second-Class Honours in the four-year Chemistry Bachelor of Science degree, specialising in X-ray crystallography under the supervision of Dorothy Hodgkin.[12][13] Her dissertation was on the structure of the antibiotic gramicidin.[14] Even while working on chemistry, she was already thinking towards law and politics.[14] She was reportedly more proud of becoming the first Prime Minister with a science degree than the first female Prime Minister

Still Oxbridge.

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'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même fecking chose', to misquote Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr.

You speak French like a Russian!

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The biggest alarm for me is that none of the candidates have any scientific background,

But then only 54 of the 649 MPs in the last parliament had a science background (the criteria being to either have been employed in a scientific, technical or medical occupation or hold a Bachelor’s degree or higher in a scientific, technical, engineering or mathematical (STEM) subject or medicine)

All rather depressing.

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How is it that all the clever people I meet are so ******ing stupid?

We should fill the Commons with sub IQ100 specimens. I bet the trains would run on time and we wouldn't have another Millennium Dome.

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The biggest alarm for me is that none of the candidates have any scientific background,

But then only 54 of the 649 MPs in the last parliament had a science background (the criteria being to either have been employed in a scientific, technical or medical occupation or hold a Bachelors degree or higher in a scientific, technical, engineering or mathematical (STEM) subject or medicine)

All rather depressing.

Technically competent people see politics for the ******** that it is and do something useful instead.

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Believe it or not, there are actually people who come from average backgrounds and bog-standard comprehensives who end up at Oxbridge because they're clever enough to get in and it's a good place to study their subject of interest.

Obviously the lizard people are also at Oxbridge at the same time as the ordinary but clever people but the former tend not to waste their time talking to the latter as they can see this will not help them build their political network.

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Thank you for the compliment. You should hear my Dutch.

Does it sound Afrikaanse?

Anyway, back on topic! Few of these MPs seemed to have had a "proper job"!

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Does it sound Afrikaanse?

Anyway, back on topic! Few of these MPs seemed to have had a "proper job"!

Nej. I have a thick Amsterdam accent in Dutch.

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When I was in school, my Russian teacher said I had a very good Moscow accent!

I suppose Moscow sounds like South Croydon.

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The oxbridge thing is just an indicator that they come from a moneyed background, so choosing a political career rather than a more highly paid position in the City (the real decision makers) is something they can afford to do.

Michael Gove? Oxford graduatre but hardly a moneyed background.

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I thought the Labour Party would prefer a working class Trade Unionist to elect as their leader. Are you sure this wasn't a Tory event?

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I thought the Labour Party would prefer a working class Trade Unionist to elect as their leader. Are you sure this wasn't a Tory event?

You are joking! "New" Labour is posher than the Queen's bidet! They have never worn a flat cap, ever!

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Michael Gove? Oxford graduatre but hardly a moneyed background.

Margaret Roberts famously grew up a provincial grocer's daughter, in the flat above the shop.

This image of Oxbridge as full of toffs does us no favours. One of my first memories from Cambridge - the days when large numbers of us gathered socially before forming regular friendship groups - was a girl proudly (and in a strong Brummie accent) proclaiming herself "a miracle of the comprehensive system". She'd clearly been told that by everyone at her school, and was surprised and deflated to hear that most of us in the room were also from comprehensive schools.

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Margaret Roberts famously grew up a provincial grocer's daughter, in the flat above the shop.

This image of Oxbridge as full of toffs does us no favours. One of my first memories from Cambridge - the days when large numbers of us gathered socially before forming regular friendship groups - was a girl proudly (and in a strong Brummie accent) proclaiming herself "a miracle of the comprehensive system". She'd clearly been told that by everyone at her school, and was surprised and deflated to hear that most of us in the room were also from comprehensive schools.

I wonder if it has changed now. I was only clever enough to go to an "ordinary" university. Still 55% of the entrants were from public schools. One of my friends won the skool "Physics Prize" for getting a "D".

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Margaret Roberts famously grew up a provincial grocer's daughter, in the flat above the shop.

This image of Oxbridge as full of toffs does us no favours. One of my first memories from Cambridge - the days when large numbers of us gathered socially before forming regular friendship groups - was a girl proudly (and in a strong Brummie accent) proclaiming herself "a miracle of the comprehensive system". She'd clearly been told that by everyone at her school, and was surprised and deflated to hear that most of us in the room were also from comprehensive schools.

Margaret Roberts was a failed scientist and she held it against science ever after. She made her best move marrying a millionaire.

My father was the first person from his family to go to university and it was Oxford (all family were coal miners). He got a job and never droned on about it. Luckily I have that experience of Oxbridge. My other experience is of people who some how got in there and then drone about it because they have never done anything else of note.

Perhaps this lot are like that?

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