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The Real Reason Tories Are Losing Votes In London..

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LMAO !:

Is it not time for Conservative politicians to reflect on that fact that our supposedly non-interventionist instincts are not succeeding for London housing?

And I thought this weeks Telegraph headline "Owning a Home is going out of Fashion around the World" had plumbed the depths of self-deceiving idiocy...

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found this quote a little misleading

'I have written before about the consequences of not achieving an electoral breakthrough with the black and minority ethnic groups across London. With over half London’s population now made up from these communities, it is small consolation that we are making some headway only with Asian voters, but very little elsewhere.'

so black and ethnic minorities make up over half of London's population - do they mean voters or complete population?

is this really true ?

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found this quote a little misleading

'I have written before about the consequences of not achieving an electoral breakthrough with the black and minority ethnic groups across London. With over half London’s population now made up from these communities, it is small consolation that we are making some headway only with Asian voters, but very little elsewhere.'

so black and ethnic minorities make up over half of London's population - do they mean voters or complete population?

is this really true ?

In 2011 census London was 59.8% white, 44.9% white British...so I guess, if eastern europeans are considered an ethnic grp.

No census in 2014, but London secondary schools fell from 45% white in 2011 to 42.5% in 2014...

Edited by Executive Sadman

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Almost all the London Mayoral Candidates (especially the Labour ones) are talking about rent controls and various taxes on landlords. Also just saw this tweet from Tom Copley who is a Labour London Assembly member; https://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/598762271716876288

They are going to have to do something about the London Housing Crisis because London is getting more and more left wing (Labour won 7 seats in London) and the "have nots" will soon out vote the "haves" imo.

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Almost all the London Mayoral Candidates (especially the Labour ones) are talking about rent controls and various taxes on landlords. Also just saw this tweet from Tom Copley who is a Labour London Assembly member; https://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/598762271716876288

They are going to have to do something about the London Housing Crisis because London is getting more and more left wing (Labour won 7 seats in London) and the "have nots" will soon out vote the "haves" imo.

Because more + more London is either dependent on benefits or working for the state. And I include the various walking dead banks + finance in that working for the state.

Looking at the stats, Lodnon is nothing more than an expensive version of Middlesbrough with nice parks.

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Because more + more London is either dependent on benefits or working for the state. And I include the various walking dead banks + finance in that working for the state.

Looking at the stats, Lodnon is nothing more than an expensive version of Middlesbrough with nice parks.

Quite. London is very dependent on benefits. If the Tories do cut benefits significantly, it should have quite an impact on London; http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/receiving-non-work-benefits/

Benefits & welfare reform
Key points
  • Around 7% of adults claimed a non-means-tested disability benefit in London in 2012 compared with 10% for England. This gap can be largely explained by London's younger population.
  • A quarter of households in London received council tax benefit in 2012, two percentage points higher than the average for England. The claim rate for both England as a whole and London has increased by 5 percentage points in ten years.
  • 26% of households in London received housing benefit in 2012, which was higher and has grown faster than the average for England. Average housing benefit values are also much higher in London at £134 per week compared with £92 per week for England.
  • The number of housing benefit claims in London grew from 608,000 in 2003 to 854,000 in 2013; a 40% increase. The growth has mainly been among working families, those in the private rented sector and in Outer London.
  • As a result of the overall benefit cap, a workless family with three children whose rent was at the lower quartile for the private rented sector would not get housing benefit that covered the rent anywhere in London. Two parents with two children would also be in that situation almost everywhere except the eastern and south-eastern boroughs.
  • Since April 2011 the amount of Local Housing Allowance that can be claimed was capped at the 30th percentile of local rents (30% of local properties charge rents below the cap and 70% above). But in 16 London boroughs, over 30% of private rented households claim LHA.
  • Between 2012 and 2013 the number of single adults under 35 claiming local housing allowance fell in Inner London (by 3,700) and in Outer London (by 3,100). This is likely to be the result the change to housing benefit entitlement for this age group.
  • Around 80,000 London families were estimated to be affected by the under-occupation penalty, losing on average £21 per week in housing benefit from April 2013. An estimated 475,000 families in 22 boroughs faced cuts in council tax benefit, with borough averages ranging from £1 to £5 a week.

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Almost all the London Mayoral Candidates (especially the Labour ones) are talking about rent controls and various taxes on landlords. Also just saw this tweet from Tom Copley who is a Labour London Assembly member; https://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/598762271716876288

They are going to have to do something about the London Housing Crisis because London is getting more and more left wing (Labour won 7 seats in London) and the "have nots" will soon out vote the "haves" imo.

That anyone in the British mainstream politics is not left is a total delusion, in principle. the Pig's quote above summarises it all... Cons and non-interventionists??? Puhlease...

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Osborne wants to increase benefits/Public sector wages in London relative to rest of UK to transfer money to landlords etc.

London is essentially the outcome of friction within the sterling zone and so will always have the wron interest rate. i.e. too accomodative for the City/landowners and insufficient taxes on wealth/land.

Osborne seeks to make this worse (for rest of UK or better for Duke of Westminster etc)

Balls was on the right lines with the Mansion tax but it didnt begin to go far enough.

Probably rest of UK needs to join Scotland/Wales and leave £££

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Needless to say the author of the Spectator article is a Conservative MP. Hence the misleading sentence below which is only slightly mitigated by the word "supposedly" and only claiming "instincts".


Is it not time for Conservative politicians to reflect on that fact that our supposedly non-interventionist instincts are not succeeding for London housing?

It's the instincts that aren't succeeding. If they ever did have any such instincts they haven't been succeeding for decades now and especially so during the last Parliament - so much so it's a bit of a stretch to believe that they ever had such supposed instincts to start with.

They can pretend to have such instincts to try to differentiate themselves from Labour but when it comes to reality they are massive interventionists and even more so as elections approach. That's one of the reasons the UK's economy is so wrecked.

Edited by billybong

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non-interventionist instincts are not succeeding!!!!!

Really? How is housing most of the EU and the sub-continent in benefit funded housing in one of the World's most expensive real estate not intervening?

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Osborne wants to increase benefits/Public sector wages in London relative to rest of UK to transfer money to landlords etc.

London is essentially the outcome of friction within the sterling zone and so will always have the wron interest rate. i.e. too accomodative for the City/landowners and insufficient taxes on wealth/land.

Osborne seeks to make this worse (for rest of UK or better for Duke of Westminster etc)

Balls was on the right lines with the Mansion tax but it didnt begin to go far enough.

Probably rest of UK needs to join Scotland/Wales and leave £££

Apart from London voted labour and the rest of England Tory,perhaps London should join Scotland.

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non-interventionist instincts are not succeeding!!!!!

Really? How is housing most of the EU and the sub-continent in benefit funded housing in one of the World's most expensive real estate not intervening?

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