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What needs to happen for the Labour Party (or there's no reason why the Lib Dems shouldn't take up the mantel, come to think of it) to become a party that actually represents the best interests of ordinary (hard working!) people.

The current incarnation seems to be primarily a political project that an urban elite wishes to impose on society against its will. At least with the Tories, people can simply vote for what they think is best for themselves and their country.

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Labour probably needs to put another Tory in charge to get elected.

...Labour needs to back the referendum on Europe for a start ..after all it looks like the rest of Europe are beginning to debate it...do they want to be left holding the baby on their own.... :rolleyes:

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It'll be difficult to regenerate into a party that truly represents the average person because it's not fully in control of its own destiny. Apparently other organisations that don't put themselves up for a vote and that have other interests have quite some say in what the Lab does these days.

The Lib and the Con are the same. When the Con has, for the time being, outlived its usefulness then the Lab will have its chance again - Buggin's turn. That could be sooner than one thinks if they could find a suitable new leader but that's going to be difficult considering the choice currently available.

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...Labour needs to back the referendum on Europe for a start ..after all it looks like the rest of Europe are beginning to debate it...do they want to be left holding the baby on their own.... :rolleyes:

Both great points, having listened to endless debate on the radio this morning I think that rather than speculation about intellectual left/centre bias Labour ought to stop and ask the electorate more, the few voters asked on the radio brought up the simple straight forward points that made perfect sense that were easy to understand

Plus pick a leader who is electable, my bet is the next leader will be Chuka Umunna, more business like, an enthnic minority and young enough to be able to distance himself from the last Labour shambles of 2010

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Plus pick a leader who is electable, my bet is the next leader will be Chuka Umunna, more business like, an enthnic minority and young enough to be able to distance himself from the last Labour shambles of 2010

I'm not really familiar with any of the candidiates, but I'd just like some people in charge who are representative of the population, who actually use he NHS, send their children to the local comp, live in immigrant ghettos.

Over at the Guardian, I see most of the commentators are still of the ilk: "better 40 years in the wilderness rather than compomise our elitist vision of socialism. If the plebs are too stupid to understand, the let them suffer under the Tories"

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I'm not really familiar with any of the candidiates, but I'd just like some people in charge who are representative of the population, who actually use he NHS, send their children to the local comp, live in immigrant ghettos.

Over at the Guardian, I see most of the commentators are still of the ilk: "better 40 years in the wilderness rather than compomise our elitist vision of socialism. If the plebs are too stupid to understand, the let them suffer under the Tories"

+1

Labour aren't left wing. They are only slightly less right wing than the tories.

Hence the lack of need for the libdems now.

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