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Victory In Europe

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The elites won and the poor of Europe paid the price.

And the proles whose lives improved far more. Than they could ever imagine said ****** you to their children.

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So where/why did it all go wrong?

Decline of empires. What has occurred in the 70 post war years has just been a continuation of what was already in train for the previous 70. The war was a final fling of end of empire, although it was dragged out for the next half century while we tried to repay our borrowing. Empires are just big ponzis.

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The modern free market/neoliberal ideology which bankrupted the world in 2008 began with the creation of the Mont Pelerin Society in 1947.

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The modern free market/neoliberal ideology which bankrupted the world in 2008 began with the creation of the Mont Pelerin Society in 1947.

So it was all hayek/Mises/Freidmans fault?

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The decline of the USSR meant there was less fear of the proles rising up. Globalisation meant that wages could be squashed and Asian savings lent out to sugar the pill. The aberration was the post war settlement, normal service is now being resumed.

Back in your box, mortgage slave.

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The decline of the USSR meant there was less fear of the proles rising up. Globalisation meant that wages could be squashed and Asian savings lent out to sugar the pill. The aberration was the post war settlement, normal service is now being resumed.

Back in your box, mortgage slave.

I fear you're right.

From a close to home point of view globalisation just meant kicking out the really bottom-end jobs to overseas and then patting ourselves on the back about how great we were because we'd improved things like pay and standards of living, instead of just outsourcing the crap (although I say that as if that wasn't exactly as planned).

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Haben wir gewonnen, Oberleutnant Kleinwurst?

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Fascinating book

in brief:

WW11 was part of the 'Long War' of the 20th century between totalatarian facism, communism and parliamentary democracy. It began with WW1, and ended with the fall of communism in Russia following the Cold War. The consequence of this is the dismantling of the nation state and tranformation of nations to merely another 'market' or trading blocks

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Fascinating book

in brief:

WW11 was part of the 'Long War' of the 20th century between totalatarian facism, communism and parliamentary democracy. It began with WW1, and ended with the fall of communism in Russia following the Cold War. The consequence of this is the dismantling of the nation state and tranformation of nations to merely another 'market' or trading blocks

Ta.

So is the rise of nationalism in England, Scotland, Wales, France, Southern Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia etc etc (which appears to be only just getting started, but may not be) a final spasm before the inevitable continuation of the post-war trend or a return to something else, something more sinister and potentially explosive?

In other words is our celebration of VE 70 years ago both misplaced and a tad premature?

I dont usually watch RT (propaganda) but I did yesterday to see how they covered the anniversary. The Chinese were there but the western leaders were a no-show despite being invited. It was apparently the biggest show of military kit ever in Moscow. But that wasnt what was scary. What was unsettling were the faces of the soldiers in the march past. These guys are ready. If Cameron thinks hes pumped up he needs to watch that. BBC news gave it a very cursory few seconds.

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My Mum is old enough to remember VE day.

She is simply bemused why people with absolutely no experience of the Second World War are ponsing around in the Mall and elsewhere 70 years later in some sort of ersatz Ruritanian reenactment of the ceremonies.

She thinks they all ought to be made to eat rations, sleep in cold, damp air raid shelters and occasionally be bombed by the Luftwaffe for the previous 5 years so they get the ambience just right.

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So is the rise of nationalism in England, Scotland, Wales, France, Southern Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia etc etc (which appears to be only just getting started, but may not be) a final spasm before the inevitable continuation of the post-war trend or a return to something else, something more sinister and potentially explosive?

If you'd asked a German in 1942 what his country was fighting against there's a good chance they'd have said something along similar lines. A struggle between their nation state and the forces of globalised financial capital.

I suspect, as you imply, that national socialism is on course for a bit of a renaissance in Europe.

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If you'd asked a German in 1942 what his country was fighting against there's a good chance they'd have said something along similar lines. A struggle between their nation state and the forces of globalised financial capital.

I suspect, as you imply, that national socialism is on course for a bit of a renaissance in Europe.

sadly i think you are right.....as a counterweight to communism.

maybe time to book my flight to canada(like churchill suggested)

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My Mum is old enough to remember VE day.

She is simply bemused why people with absolutely no experience of the Second World War are ponsing around in the Mall and elsewhere 70 years later in some sort of ersatz Ruritanian reenactment of the ceremonies.

She thinks they all ought to be made to eat rations, sleep in cold, damp air raid shelters and occasionally be bombed by the Luftwaffe for the previous 5 years so they get the ambience just right.

Indeed. Wall to wall BBC coverage, new Tory govt and Status Quo. All is right with the world order.

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My Mum is old enough to remember VE day.

She is simply bemused why people with absolutely no experience of the Second World War are ponsing around in the Mall and elsewhere 70 years later in some sort of ersatz Ruritanian reenactment of the ceremonies.

I am finding it a bit bizarre. It seems so unconnected to the UK today. It is almost shameful to try to pretend we have any relation to those people. A quiet, sincere moment of recognition would be more fitting. The beeb is a really weird animal. One part nostalgic nationalism to nine parts embarrassment at being British

I dont usually watch RT (propaganda) but I did yesterday to see how they covered the anniversary. The Chinese were there but the western leaders were a no-show despite being invited. It was apparently the biggest show of military kit ever in Moscow.

I saw a few red coated bear skins, so I think the allied troops were represented in the actual parade. The world is all a bit confusing. It is a bit frightening to see the Russian (and Chinese) love of things military. Hard to believe that it wont end up being used some day.

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I am finding it a bit bizarre. It seems so irrelevant to UK today. It is almost shameful to try to pretend we have any relation to those people. A quiet, sincere moment of recognition would be more fitting. The beeb is a really weird animal. One part nostalgic nationalism to nine parts embarrasment at bein BritishI saw a few red coated bear skins, so I think the allied troops were represented in the actual parade. The world is all a bit confusing. It is a bit frightening to see the Russian (and Chinese) love of things military. Hard to believe that it wont end up being used some day.

I can understand why they are making a big deal of the 70 anniversary since precious few of those still alive who experienced the actual event will be around for the 80th anniversary. The problem is that remembrance events that were once held with some restraint and dignity now appear to have been taken over by young politicians, celebs and the entertainment industry. As a result they just jar badly with a lot of people. The survivors from the war era are now like African famine victims trotted out everytime someone wants some kitsch event to make the nation feel good about itself.

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Fascinating book

in brief:

WW11 was part of the 'Long War' of the 20th century between totalatarian facism, communism and parliamentary democracy. It began with WW1, and ended with the fall of communism in Russia following the Cold War. The consequence of this is the dismantling of the nation state and tranformation of nations to merely another 'market' or trading blocks

Even Hitler in his last ever statement wrote about the nations of Europe being bought and sold like shares on a stockmarket, and power shifting from Europe to the East.

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Russia may still have a potent armed services, but their population is declining.

I suspect that any future conflict (assuming it doesn't degenerate into nukes) will end up with both sides using robots, drones etc to lay waste vast areas of central Europe. By that point much of the munitions and equipment being produced/supplied by China.

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I can understand why they are making a big deal of the 70 anniversary since precious few of those still alive who experienced the actual event will be around for the 80th anniversary. The problem is that remembrance events that were once held with some restraint and dignity now appear to have been taken over by young politicians, celebs and the entertainment industry. As a result they just jar badly with a lot of people. The survivors from the war era are now like African famine victims trotted out everytime someone wants some kitsch event to make the nation feel good about itself.

Seriously time to draw a line under it all IMO.

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First thing new British govt will be doing 70 years on is entering into negotiations with.........

Germany.

It's like Groundhog Day

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I've seen loads of war films they used to be a Sunday afternoon treat on TV some years back. I can't even imagine what it must have been like, except cinemas were smokey, and there was no Internet.

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The Internet is bloody marvellous. I buy a load of films. Click the button, and it's yours within two days.

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