Frank Hovis Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Pollsters facing independent inquiry over possible 'bias' after getting it disastrously wrong in failing to predict Tory surge Polls predicted a hung parliament with Labour and Tories neck-and-neck But Tories won majority with 330 MPs as Labour only reached 232 MPs Chancellor George Osborne said polls would face 'a big post mortem' British Polling Council announced it was launching an inquiry today Comes after experts apologised for 'terrible night' and 'poor performance' Voter turnout at this election rose to 66 per cent from 61 per cent in 2010 Certainly I never disclose my voting intention to pollsters or callers at the door, it looks like there are a lot of us about! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073235/A-campaign-s-worth-polls-wiped-Pollsters-claim-voters-said-one-thing-did-MPs-thank-shy-Tories-shock-election-results.html And... Aha aha mwahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovinedealer Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Democracy in action: UKIP 3,841,346 votes = 1 seat SNP 1,454,436 votes = 56 seats LibD 2,399,866 votes = 8 seats PlaidCymru 181,694 votes = 3 seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Certainly I never disclose my voting intention to pollsters or callers at the door, it looks like there are a lot of us about! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073235/A-campaign-s-worth-polls-wiped-Pollsters-claim-voters-said-one-thing-did-MPs-thank-shy-Tories-shock-election-results.html And... Aha aha mwahahahahaha It's true, it was an awesome moment for sure. He did rather spoil the occasion by being so nice about it though. I was hoping for a Mellor moment (much better than the more widely remembered Portillo moment which was, again, spoiled by Portillo being nice about the whole thing) with a full on temper tantrum but it didn't materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erat_forte Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 That's so clever, quietly ignoring the different number of seats each party stood in! Hopefully no-one will call you out on it, and make your whole point look a bit stupid. Democracy in action: UKIP 3,841,346 votes = 1 seat SNP 1,454,436 votes = 56 seats LibD 2,399,866 votes = 8 seats PlaidCymru 181,694 votes = 3 seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Democracy in action: UKIP 3,841,346 votes = 1 seat SNP 1,454,436 votes = 56 seats LibD 2,399,866 votes = 8 seats PlaidCymru 181,694 votes = 3 seats Looks like UKIP spread their efforts too thinly, or next time should concentrate on PlaidCymru seats as they should walk those (Oh, except they didn't). I'd prefer some form of PR myself, but we don't have it - and aren't likely to get it - so there's little point worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The polls did their job, which is shaping public opinion, not measuring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The polls did their job, which is shaping public opinion, not measuring it. What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What makes you say that? They just went along with the media narrative of fear the Labour/SNP bogeyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What makes you say that? ...if you fail to do this, that will happen......so they voted to to stop that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What, I'm still not president!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 They just went along with the media narrative of fear the Labour/SNP bogeyman. fact labour would f@ck the economy ...if you fail to do this, that will happen......so they voted to to stop that happening. see above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 see above Yet, the Conservatives could only scrape a coalition with the Liberals, right in the teeth of Labour actually f@cking the economy whilst their leader was calling old ladies racist. Presumably preferable to someone with a utility room that doesn't eat a bacon sandwich in an approved manner, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 What, I'm still not president!? Leadership elections for the Turnip Association, aren't until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Yet, the Conservatives could only scrape a coalition with the Liberals, right in the teeth of Labour actually f@cking the economy whilst their leader was calling old ladies racist. Presumably preferable to someone with a utility room that doesn't eat a bacon sandwich in an approved manner, or something. Presumably preferable to someone who could still not concede (or worse comprehend) that massive overspending was their own downfall and would be there future downfall yet again. Conservatives get in when people remember how badly labour screw the economy Labour get in when people forget how badly labour screw the economy Labour's next go on the carousel will come - it's just that 5 years and still pulling out of the previous administrations recession is still too fresh in the electorate's consciousness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Presumably preferable to someone who could still not concede (or worse comprehend) that massive overspending was their own downfall and would be there future downfall yet again. Conservatives get in when people remember how badly labour screw the economyLabour get in when people forget how badly labour screw the economy Labour's next go on the carousel will come - it's just that 5 years and still pulling out of the previous administrations recession is still too fresh in the electorate's consciousness Democracy is a card trick. The cards in the deck are carefully pre-selected and the media nudge people into taking the right one. Nothing's suspected as occasionally the suit is switched from hearts to clubs and no-one likes to believe they've been done over. People then convince themselves that it's all above board because they seem to have seen the cards shuffled rather than accept someone, who isn't them really holds all the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Democracy is a card trick. The cards in the deck are carefully pre-selected and the media nudge people into taking the right one. Nothing's suspected as occasionally the suit is switched from hearts to clubs and no-one likes to believe they've been done over. People then convince themselves that it's all above board because they seem to have seen the cards shuffled rather than accept someone, who isn't them really holds all the cards. I don't buy your world view buy i must ask what your solution is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I don't buy your world view buy i must ask what your solution is?A dictatorship led by me.I despise the idea of anyone else having either more power, or power over me but, have no better solution as true direct democracy would be atrocious. The populace would quickly introduce capital punishment and embrace absurdly jingoistic patriotism like a version of their new favourite footie team. I don't have any moral issue with someone pullng the strings my gripe is more that someone isn't me and an sort of anger at the people taken in by it. As an example, before David Cameron arrived for a job interview at Conservative Central Office a senior aide from The Palace rang the interviewer to tell them what an exceptional candidate he was. Then, after barelh serving as an MP for five minutes, the media started telling us what an exceptional candidate he was for party leader. Roll forward a short while and it's how prime ministerial he appears. I've seen little evidence of anything exceptional about David Cameron apart from his exceptional ability to have a face that imitates a polythene bag of very pink sausagemeat and he has almost the exact same academic and work record as Ed Miliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 A dictatorship led by me. I despise the idea of anyone else having either more power, or power over me but, have no better solution as true direct democracy would be atrocious. The populace would quickly introduce capital punishment and embrace absurdly jingoistic patriotism like a version of their new favourite footie team. I don't have any moral issue with someone pullng the strings my gripe is more that someone isn't me and an sort of anger at the people taken in by it. Bloomin' heck - although I agree with your understanding that true democracy would be little more than populism by the lowest common denominator (unless certain rights enshrined - but then it falls foul of your dislike of the people with the power awarding those rights) I admire your candour - if nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 It's true, it was an awesome moment for sure. He did rather spoil the occasion by being so nice about it though. I was hoping for a Mellor moment (much better than the more widely remembered Portillo moment which was, again, spoiled by Portillo being nice about the whole thing) with a full on temper tantrum but it didn't materialize. Balls might now be thinking about trying to reinvent himself and earning the affection of the British public in the same way that Portillo did. He'd have a snowball's chance in Hell but it might be fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Balls might now be thinking about trying to reinvent himself and earning the affection of the British public in the same way that Portillo did. He'd have a snowball's chance in Hell but it might be fun to watch. That is word for word what Andrew Marr thinks will happen. I can't see it somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I despise the idea of anyone else having either more power, or power over me but, have no better solution as true direct democracy would be atrocious. Not tempted by a low-key constitutional republic, subject to checks and balances finely crafted by semi-divine altruistic geniuses, and refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Democracy in action: UKIP 3,841,346 votes = 1 seat SNP 1,454,436 votes = 56 seats LibD 2,399,866 votes = 8 seats PlaidCymru 181,694 votes = 3 seats Does anybody have the figures (I mean total number of votes) for the other parties too? It would be interesting to work out how parliament would look like with a plain proportional voting system. (yes I know, tactical voters would have voted differently with a proportional voting system, but we can only work with the numbers we have) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Not tempted by a low-key constitutional republic, subject to checks and balances finely crafted by semi-divine altruistic geniuses, and refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants? Not sure, will it get me a hover car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Balls might now be thinking about trying to reinvent himself and earning the affection of the British public in the same way that Portillo did. He'd have a snowball's chance in Hell but it might be fun to watch. Yes, I don't see that working either, he's too whiny. I wouldn't be surprised if he went off to join his brother in the world of finance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 It's true, it was an awesome moment for sure. He did rather spoil the occasion by being so nice about it though. I was hoping for a Mellor moment (much better than the more widely remembered Portillo moment which was, again, spoiled by Portillo being nice about the whole thing) with a full on temper tantrum but it didn't materialize. Apparently Galloway wasnt so pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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