OnionTerror Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The Tories will win again in 2020. I say this as an almost near certainty. No matter how badly the economy blows up, the Tories are now free to enact boundary changes in the way that they see fit. This will remove Labour's artificial electoral advantage. At the same time, much of their support will now be stranded in Scotland where SNP dominance means that those potential votes are useless in a general election. English voters are never going to vote for an SNP/Labour alliance. The key to political power in the UK is structural. UKIP can gain all the support they want, but the structure of UK politics prevents them from having any say in government. The structure of UK politics has shifted against Labour (in no small part from their own doing) and they will never win again in their current configuration. Labour's central problem is that their core ideology of socialism has been shown to be completely intellectually bankrupt, and rather than try to address that problem, they've tried to paper over the cracks with identity politics and political correctness. However, a strategy of identity politics based on racial and gender grievances (i.e. Labour) is never going to be able to compete with an identity politics based on national grievances (i.e. SNP). If Labour wants to win again, they're going to have to adopt the SNP model and embrace nationalism. Not sure about that...When the economy goes tits up (I know, a technical phrase), and say it happens in the next five years, it will be seen to have happened under the watch of the Tories..How long will they go with the line of "There's no money left" ...They will then loose middle England, apart from some more hardcore seats...People wont trust them... Moreover, if Labour get some "man of the people" (and I'm not looking at some career politician) in, then its all to play for...But to be honest, red, blue, purple...Its all the same...Unfortunately, whoever gets in, its the government... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The Conservatives would seem to have it all stitched up now that they can gerrymander etc etc but give it an extension of the recession and a couple of years of sleaze etc and Labour could stroll right back in with a bit of re-imaging/restructuring. That's not to say it'll happen in the next 5 years - the recession part likely will though. Labour's policies wouldn't end up being much different but they would have to sound convincing and make plenty of good "promises" - cut out the pledge stone stuff etc. The new Parliament is going to be just as interesting as the last one. It's a bit of a shame that the Sun will be able to claim again (however flimsily) that they won it. ..the effects of labour will be felt for generations ...people need to get it....and live within their means ....and as I said before ..only the feckless call that austerity....I thought the Daily Mail won it....and the Mirror lost it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenpig Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 It's really starting to annoy me, listening the Lib Dems (and the BBC) saying that they got punished for being the junior party in an unpopular coalition, and that they had made the right choices for the country, and that history would judge them more kindly. They got punished for doing the opposite of what their voters voted for. The Tories didn't get punished, because that was what their voters voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) Libdems also got punished/lost support because they promised to break the LabCon cross party mould of lies and broken and reneged on promises. People gave them the chance then they did exactly the same. They were the last straw. A real betrayal. Edited May 9, 2015 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Libdems also got punished/lost support because they promised to break the LabCon cross party mould of lies and broken and reneged on promises. People gave them the chance then they did exactly the same. They were the last straw. A real betrayal. The LibDems were screwed whichever way they went...ie. no coalition (tory minority govt), labour coalition, or the path they went down.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkshock Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 This is not true at all. It's self-serving bull-poo from a master of self-serving bull-poo. Yes, you need to adopt a right of centre programme if that's the outcome you want, but there's nothing stopping the Labour Party from adopting policies that would get them elected (i.e. standing up for working people in the UK by opposing globalization, low-wage immigration and welfare dependency) except that the people who control Labour would stand to personally lose out by adopting those policies. How will the Blairs and Millibands afford a nanny without cheap imported labour? How will they be able to afford their lifestyle without EU sinecures or corporate "consulting" gigs? The British Labour Party's problem is that it's not British and it doesn't represent labour. It's a hypocritical farce that's been taken over by former student activists, champagne socialists and public sector parasites who would all be just as happy living in Brussels or New York as they would in the UK. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that when polls consistently say that immigration is a top concern for voters, you're not going to win an election by ignoring the topic. You cannot deny that the country has shifted right in this election becuase thats what the people want - Tories with outright majority, UKIP 3rd largest party with a large number of votes. Also opposing low wage immigration and opposing welfare dependency seem to me to be arguments of UKIP, not the marxist left whose actual dream it is to see the state nannying everyone funded by the taxpayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 .....not the marxist left whose actual dream it is to see the state nannying everyone funded by the taxpayer. ...not a dream ..Gordo created this with tax credits ......we are nearer marxism than democracy because of it....long process to unravel.....in the meantime that suppresses wages ...and Corporates (even the global tax avoiders) get cheap labour at the expense of the taxpayer ...even Marx didn't put that twist in the cocktail ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) The LibDems were screwed whichever way they went...ie. no coalition (tory minority govt), labour coalition, or the path they went down.. As they had decided behind the scenes that they would renege on the tuition fees promise even before the election (apparently because they had already decided it was unaffordable but they didn't reveal the U-turn and it was a promise that likely garnered a lot of votes) then indeed they had created a sticky wicket for themselves whatever they did. Edited May 9, 2015 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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