spyguy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 29/04/2015 at 5:26 PM, Nationalist said: And let's not forget they were promised £92 per megawatt hour generated, compared to the current wholesale price of £50. (In fact the frogs don't need to build a power station, they could just buy electricity in at £50 and sell it back out at £92 - provided no-one noticed.) Gidiot really was Brown idiot younger brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, spyguy said: Put it on a rickerpt and send it to the Moon. Seriously. Or drop it down the Marianna trench. Whats the cost of putting a Kg into LEO (let alone to the Moon) - $10,000. Multiple by 3 to account for casing. Thats at least $36bn just to get the HL waste into LEO. God help us if the rocket explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Riedquat said: Rockets have an unfortunate habit of exploding every now and then. Look on the bright side - if that happens you will have more to worry about than the 'visual blight' of a wind turbine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Riedquat said: Less isn't none, and very slowly moving areas of high pressure in winter are fairly common. The worry is that enough backup won't be kept to deal with those; that backup would be completely uneconomical to build and maintain. For a singular turbine or farm yes. If you start looking at turbines spread out from Cornwall to Scotland, to the middle of the North Sea, Irish Sea, Channel and Celtic Sea the back up requirement diminishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said: Look on the bright side - if that happens you will have more to worry about than the 'visual blight' of a wind turbine 5 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said: Whats the cost of putting a Kg into LEO (let alone to the Moon) - $10,000. Multiple by 3 to account for casing. Thats at least $36bn just to get the HL waste into LEO. God help us if the rocket explodes. Dont know. Isnt that cost gor humans. Remove the need to sustain life and it would be cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said: For a singular turbine or farm yes. If you start looking at turbines spread out from Cornwall to Scotland, to the middle of the North Sea, Irish Sea, Channel and Celtic Sea the back up requirement diminishes. Diminishes but not vanishes, and there's always a non-zero chance of them all being affected. If that chance is sufficiently remote so be it (I'm not one of those "any chance is too much risk!" types - there's a chance of enough existing plants failing unexpectedly after all). There's still some requirement for otherwise uneconomic backup though, and in this day and age where things are (often wrongly) regarded as wasteful if they're not being used every second of every day that's a hard sell. 15 minutes ago, spyguy said: Dont know. Isnt that cost gor humans. Remove the need to sustain life and it would be cheaper. Having humans on board and their life support on board adds to the weight but probably not much to the cost per unit weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said: For a singular turbine or farm yes. If you start looking at turbines spread out from Cornwall to Scotland, to the middle of the North Sea, Irish Sea, Channel and Celtic Sea the back up requirement diminishes. If we start adding to windy mills, thrn wed be extending the grid out to the sea, sinking the cost, do tidal power could be cheaply added later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Riedquat said: Diminishes but not vanishes, and there's always a non-zero chance of them all being affected. If that chance is sufficiently remote so be it (I'm not one of those "any chance is too much risk!" types - there's a chance of enough existing plants failing unexpectedly after all). There's still some requirement for otherwise uneconomic backup though, and in this day and age where things are (often wrongly) regarded as wasteful if they're not being used every second of every day that's a hard sell. Having humans on board and their life support on board adds to the weight but probably not much to the cost per unit weight. More likely a design fault found in our new fleet of French / Chinese nukes and all get shut down / severely curtailed output while a solution is found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, spyguy said: If we start adding to windy mills, thrn wed be extending the grid out to the sea, sinking the cost, do tidal power could be cheaply added later. Offshore wind could work very well with a viable form of wave power. The turbine tower could double as an anchor point for the wave power device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 East coast, Norfolk up to Newcastle is looking like being the world centre of windy mills. Dogger gives a huge area of very shallow sea. Humber an Teesport have deep sea ports. Lots of demand - Leeds, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kurt Barlow said: More likely a design fault found in our new fleet of French / Chinese nukes and all get shut down / severely curtailed output while a solution is found. You could centre office/fixed platforms nearby. Theyd not be fun in Winter but are doable for a 3 day stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, spyguy said: East coast, Norfolk up to Newcastle is looking like being the world centre of windy mills. Dogger gives a huge area of very shallow sea. Humber an Teesport have deep sea ports. Lots of demand - Leeds, etc. Thats pretty much the area for the next 27GW of development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, spyguy said: You could centre office/fixed platforms nearby. Theyd not be fun in Winter but are doable for a 3 day stay. From Wells Harbour (Norfolk) the boats go out and come back on the next tide for the Sheringham Shoal farm (and Triton Knoll). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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