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we have to face facts now.

the union in its present guise is not functioning.

there are too many cultural differences between what the scots want and what everybody else wants.

rather than have this victimhood tit-for-tat because you did this to my great-great-great -great *10 granny 700 years ago I'm itchin for payback bitch..mentality, we need to loom at a federal system with much greater autonomy for ALL in the union.

basically US style, where tax raising and local cusoms will be governed by regional delegates from the state of texas/oklahoma/washington etc.

only a small elected body of delegates sent from respective regions, on a delegate per capita basis, to govern the nationally important stuff.

(the scots probably won't like this solution,however, as they will only have 10% of the vote)..but they will have to lump it.

soctland needs to realise that there are plenty of their brethren south of the border too, that do not harbour this stitch-up-the sassenach malevolent tantrum streak, and they are alienating those who have to put up with this petty minded spitefullness.

why should those having scottish surnames probably much more scottish than the present celtic parliamentary representatives,have THEIR children suffer through university fees etc foisted upon them by their kith and kin north of the border?

the end does NOT justify the means.

to put it bluntly....stop being so feckin childish!

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we have to face facts now.

the union in its present guise is not functioning.

You are right about that.

rather than have this victimhood tit-for-tat because you did this to my great-great-great -great *10 granny 700 years ago I'm itchin for payback bitch..mentality, we need to loom at a federal system with much greater autonomy for ALL in the union.

If you think that is why 45% (and growing going by the latest polls) want Independence, then you having been absorbing the MSM propoganda a bit too readilly.

basically US style, where tax raising and local cusoms will be governed by regional delegates from the state of texas/oklahoma/washington etc.

only a small elected body of delegates sent from respective regions, on a delegate per capita basis, to govern the nationally important stuff.

(the scots probably won't like this solution,however, as they will only have 10% of the vote)..but they will have to lump it.

That sounds a lot like Devo max / home rule which we were promised before the referendum vote which the Tories and Labour are now saying they will vote against!

and they are alienating those who have to put up with this petty minded spitefullness.

I couldn't care less if the Independence movement is alienating the English. Suits me just fine to be honest!

have THEIR children suffer through university fees etc foisted upon them by their kith and kin north of the border?

Maybe the English should grow a backbone and stop voting for parties that want their Children to pay tuition fees!

We are proud that we have a government that puts the people first before the elite. You never know, having us in charge after May might wake the English from their political slumber and you too can have socialist policies that care about the people.

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we have to face facts now.

the union in its present guise is not functioning.

there are too many cultural differences between what the scots want and what everybody else wants.

rather than have this victimhood tit-for-tat because you did this to my great-great-great -great *10 granny 700 years ago I'm itchin for payback bitch..mentality, we need to loom at a federal system with much greater autonomy for ALL in the union.

basically US style, where tax raising and local cusoms will be governed by regional delegates from the state of texas/oklahoma/washington etc.

only a small elected body of delegates sent from respective regions, on a delegate per capita basis, to govern the nationally important stuff.

(the scots probably won't like this solution,however, as they will only have 10% of the vote)..but they will have to lump it.

soctland needs to realise that there are plenty of their brethren south of the border too, that do not harbour this stitch-up-the sassenach malevolent tantrum streak, and they are alienating those who have to put up with this petty minded spitefullness.

why should those having scottish surnames probably much more scottish than the present celtic parliamentary representatives,have THEIR children suffer through university fees etc foisted upon them by their kith and kin north of the border?

the end does NOT justify the means.

to put it bluntly....stop being so feckin childish!

I'll ignore the accusation of childishness, and ask you to also face facts.

The referendum didn't stop the union from functioning, it merely highlighted the fact it wasn't working to a large number of people (you're welcome!). There is very little of the historical revenge mentality that you suggest in the separatist movement. Most couldn't care less about what happened prior to 1979. Most are acutely of what happened after however...

As for stitching up the sassenach, your suggesting the present state is the fault of Scots. It is not. We are making the most of what we have, and complaining about how we provision for our young and elderly seems a bit... well, childish. Instead of complaining about what we provide for ours, why aren't you asking your MP why your's can't have it too?

So... you propose a form of federalism to 'fix' the current system. To be honest, if Cameron had allowed Devo-Max on the referendum ballot paper, that would have killed the yes vote stone dead. He didn't, because he knew that we would have voted that way. Cameron and Miliband have NO INTENTION of devolving powers to the regions through federalism. Why would they dilute the prospective area of control? Your recognising that federalism is required will not make it so, nor will the Westminster establishment give it up voluntarily.

The only way you will see any form of federalism is through the rise of separatist parties like the SNP. Essentially wresting areas of control from Westminster, either bit by bit, or as a whole through a referendum.

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