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10x10 is just the footprint of the house itself - throw in a decent size front and rear garden, garage, and drive, and you'd need a much more substantial plot, maybe 14x30 or something.

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10x10 is just the footprint of the house itself - throw in a decent size front and rear garden, garage, and drive, and you'd need a much more substantial plot, maybe 14x30 or something.

still not a big space for a decent size house ,

my mothers house has an irregular shape to the side of it , of 9m x 26m at its widest part i am seriously thinking about putting planning in , i can`t see the house in above plans being any more than 200k to build , round here that won`t even get you a 1 bed flat !

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Why not build upwards, properly, not this 4 bed detached with 2 bedrooms in the attic attempt? A 10x10 footprint house is 100sqm (your average 3-bed detached won't be much more than 80sqm in total so a footprint of 40sqm), so with a bit of imagination you could squeeze a 3/4-bed detached house onto a 100sqm plot.

Make the house 3 storeys, increase the floorspace to 90sqm to allow for additional stairs, that's a 30sqm footprint. Make the footprint of the house 4x7.5, the plot can be 6x16, that'll give access around the sides of the house, parking for two cars (two cars need roughly 5x5 to park side by side) at the front and some sort of back yard (3.5x6).

Yes it's still an f-ing rabbit hutch but a better rabbit hutch, the fact that developers would rather bung as many terraced houses or semi's on a plot (plots that would fit 2 of these detached hutches would fit 3 terraced houses) shows they care little for anything other than profit.

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Why not build upwards, properly

Agreed totally. I have a 4 storey house in Toronto which is on a plot not that much bigger than 10x10 and it works really well.

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Agreed totally. I have a 4 storey house in Toronto which is on a plot not that much bigger than 10x10 and it works really well.

i have a feeling a townhouse would look very odd next to a 4 bed detached , the above was just an example it would work better as a 4 bed than a 6 bed an architect would obviously make better use of the odd shape

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Why not build upwards, properly, not this 4 bed detached with 2 bedrooms in the attic attempt? A 10x10 footprint house is 100sqm (your average 3-bed detached won't be much more than 80sqm in total so a footprint of 40sqm), so with a bit of imagination you could squeeze a 3/4-bed detached house onto a 100sqm plot.

Make the house 3 storeys, increase the floorspace to 90sqm to allow for additional stairs, that's a 30sqm footprint. Make the footprint of the house 4x7.5, the plot can be 6x16, that'll give access around the sides of the house, parking for two cars (two cars need roughly 5x5 to park side by side) at the front and some sort of back yard (3.5x6).

Yes it's still an f-ing rabbit hutch but a better rabbit hutch, the fact that developers would rather bung as many terraced houses or semi's on a plot (plots that would fit 2 of these detached hutches would fit 3 terraced houses) shows they care little for anything other than profit.

Looks completely overbearing from the street unless set well back from the road in relation to the ridge line...cellars would be preferable. All these new estates with 3+ storey homes on feel so claustrophobic.

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Looks completely overbearing from the street unless set well back from the road in relation to the ridge line...cellars would be preferable. All these new estates with 3+ storey homes on feel so claustrophobic.

The problem with some of the one's I've seen is that the townhouses are all terraced or semi's with perhaps 1-2m in between houses, some didn't even have driveways/front gardens, cluttered house/road layouts don't help either - the victorians weren't stupid when they build their 3-storey houses on straight(ish) roads.

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still not a big space for a decent size house ,

my mothers house has an irregular shape to the side of it , of 9m x 26m at its widest part i am seriously thinking about putting planning in , i can`t see the house in above plans being any more than 200k to build , round here that won`t even get you a 1 bed flat !

We recently looked at doing a self build of a house similar in size to this house and after speaking to numerous architects/self builders concluded that despite what you may read in building magazines or see on grand designs, even on a level plot with existing service provision and good access build prices for detached house are a minimum of £2000 sqm for a reasonable build quality.

Much more if you want your own grand design with lots of glass, bi-fold doors. double hieght halls etc.

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We recently looked at doing a self build of a house similar in size to this house and after speaking to numerous architects/self builders concluded that despite what you may read in building magazines or see on grand designs, even on a level plot with existing service provision and good access build prices for detached house are a minimum of £2000 sqm for a reasonable build quality.

Much more if you want your own grand design with lots of glass, bi-fold doors. double hieght halls etc.

half the land i would like to use is actually still owned by the building company who built them 45 years ago , so i need to go through a solicitor to get the border of the existing property changed as it is actually maintained by us and also the previous owner did too for 20 odd years prior.Not sure if this can be done by adverse possession i.e squatters rights will need to get the existing garden extended legally then go down the planning route afterwards , the good thing is the company was dissolved in 1973 so any future claim is pretty remote.

if by some stoke of luck all went to plan and planning was given i would buy the plot then go down the self build route , i think a basic build could be done for less than £2000 sqm , if a shell and roof was to go up i could probably project manage the rest

it`s hardly a grand designs job being such a small plot a basic brick built house that looks like its part of the existing estate but on a smaller scale would suffice the existing house next to the land is 2300sqm ,

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The Thimbleweed - The property was completed in Cheshire towards the end of 2010 and has a habitable floor area of just over 1700sqft (158sqm). It has an integral garage and 5 bedrooms with a conservatory addition to the rear. A breakdown of the costs have been kindly provided from MGD Building Cost Services and are listed below as a real example:

Description
  • Existing site clearance & demolition
  • Substructure (Foundations to structural slab) incl drains, soakaway and sceptic tank
  • Superstructure (Structural slab to Roof inc. Joists, Plasterboard, windows etc)
  • External Finishes/Landscaping/walling
  • Mechanical & Electrical (Electrics & Plumbing)
  • Internal Finishes
  • Supply & Fit Kitchen
  • Sanitaryware(material only)
  • Service Connections
  • Preliminarys
  • Supply & Fit Fireplace
  • Carpets
  • Full Conservatory inc. foundations
  • NHBC/LA Fees
Grand Total Costs

£11,616

£18,794

£104,095

£20,600

£13,173

£9,047

£14,112

£3,447

£605

£11,085

£1,200

£1,646

£13,110

£2,542

£225,072

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The Thimbleweed - The property was completed in Cheshire towards the end of 2010 and has a habitable floor area of just over 1700sqft (158sqm). It has an integral garage and 5 bedrooms with a conservatory addition to the rear. A breakdown of the costs have been kindly provided from MGD Building Cost Services and are listed below as a real example:

Description
  • Existing site clearance & demolition
  • Substructure (Foundations to structural slab) incl drains, soakaway and sceptic tank
  • Superstructure (Structural slab to Roof inc. Joists, Plasterboard, windows etc)
  • External Finishes/Landscaping/walling
  • Mechanical & Electrical (Electrics & Plumbing)
  • Internal Finishes
  • Supply & Fit Kitchen
  • Sanitaryware(material only)
  • Service Connections
  • Preliminarys
  • Supply & Fit Fireplace
  • Carpets
  • Full Conservatory inc. foundations
  • NHBC/LA Fees
Grand Total Costs

£11,616

£18,794

£104,095

£20,600

£13,173

£9,047

£14,112

£3,447

£605

£11,085

£1,200

£1,646

£13,110

£2,542

£225,072

Does that include the cost of land?

If I wanted to build a wooden type house, what would the likely of it getting PP (vs a brick built)?

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The problem with some of the one's I've seen is that the townhouses are all terraced or semi's with perhaps 1-2m in between houses, some didn't even have driveways/front gardens, cluttered house/road layouts don't help either - the victorians weren't stupid when they build their 3-storey houses on straight(ish) roads.

Thats a big issue for me too.

I LOATHE the infernal cul-de-sac. With long straight roads there are at least two lines of sight, you're not hemmed in with brick on all four sides.

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The Thimbleweed - The property was completed in Cheshire towards the end of 2010 and has a habitable floor area of just over 1700sqft (158sqm). It has an integral garage and 5 bedrooms with a conservatory addition to the rear. A breakdown of the costs have been kindly provided from MGD Building Cost Services and are listed below as a real example:

Description
  • Existing site clearance & demolition
  • Substructure (Foundations to structural slab) incl drains, soakaway and sceptic tank
  • Superstructure (Structural slab to Roof inc. Joists, Plasterboard, windows etc)
  • External Finishes/Landscaping/walling
  • Mechanical & Electrical (Electrics & Plumbing)
  • Internal Finishes
  • Supply & Fit Kitchen
  • Sanitaryware(material only)
  • Service Connections
  • Preliminarys
  • Supply & Fit Fireplace
  • Carpets
  • Full Conservatory inc. foundations
  • NHBC/LA Fees
Grand Total Costs

£11,616

£18,794

£104,095

£20,600

£13,173

£9,047

£14,112

£3,447

£605

£11,085

£1,200

£1,646

£13,110

£2,542

£225,072

You need to bear in mind that the property was completed in 2010, a time when most builders were desperate for work, and that building costs have gone up hugely since then.

Also I did say that £2000 sqm was for a reasonable not basic construction, if you are happy with very low end internal finishes/fittings you can save quite a bit but I think long term it would be a false economy. Another area were cost cutting can have a negative impact is on the attention to detail that is required to obtain the design levels of thermal and sound insullation.

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You need to bear in mind that the property was completed in 2010, a time when most builders were desperate for work, and that building costs have gone up hugely since then.

Also I did say that £2000 sqm was for a reasonable not basic construction, if you are happy with very low end internal finishes/fittings you can save quite a bit but I think long term it would be a false economy. Another area were cost cutting can have a negative impact is on the attention to detail that is required to obtain the design levels of thermal and sound insullation.

depends where you cut costs really , if you want a quality home opt for solid internal walls instead of stud and plasterboard , fancy oak doors and porcelain tiles and oak flooring is relatively cheap in comparison to the build i think i paid £80 for oak doors , a full 25 unit kitchen in high gloss white came in at just over 3k , granite work tops 2k on the refurb for my mothers house.

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You need to bear in mind that the property was completed in 2010, a time when most builders were desperate for work, and that building costs have gone up hugely since then.

Also I did say that £2000 sqm was for a reasonable not basic construction, if you are happy with very low end internal finishes/fittings you can save quite a bit but I think long term it would be a false economy. Another area were cost cutting can have a negative impact is on the attention to detail that is required to obtain the design levels of thermal and sound insullation.

I did a 90sqm extension in 2012 for <£1000/sqm by being careful about the cost of everything and doing the basic stuff myself. Labour costs have gone up 20% since then. The current generation of builders are wearing out with no-one to replace them.

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The regional variation in build costs looks to be massive.

£2000 a square meter in Northern Ireland would get you a really high spec house.

For a decent spec you'd be look £1100 - £1200.

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Why not build upwards, properly, not this 4 bed detached with 2 bedrooms in the attic attempt? A 10x10 footprint house is 100sqm (your average 3-bed detached won't be much more than 80sqm in total so a footprint of 40sqm), so with a bit of imagination you could squeeze a 3/4-bed detached house onto a 100sqm plot.

Make the house 3 storeys, increase the floorspace to 90sqm to allow for additional stairs, that's a 30sqm footprint. Make the footprint of the house 4x7.5, the plot can be 6x16, that'll give access around the sides of the house, parking for two cars (two cars need roughly 5x5 to park side by side) at the front and some sort of back yard (3.5x6).

Yes it's still an f-ing rabbit hutch but a better rabbit hutch, the fact that developers would rather bung as many terraced houses or semi's on a plot (plots that would fit 2 of these detached hutches would fit 3 terraced houses) shows they care little for anything other than profit.

probably fit something like this which would not look out of place

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