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How hard can it be? Teach the same $hit to different people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!

Unless you are too busy teaching them to be communists. That might take some time. :D

If the job was *just* teaching, you might have a point. But it's not, so you're talking nonsense.

I always love when teachers tell everyone that they don't get good holidays and work all through them. Its total bull and every teacher knows it.

I have no vested interest, I don't like teachers and it's not bull.

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I always love when teachers tell everyone that they don't get good holidays and work all through them. Its total bull and every teacher knows it.

Here's miss Smith in Barbados marking your homework! Here's miss smith in Lanzarote working through next years time table!

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Curious how so many people actually want labour to be paid less have worse working conditions and have some bizarre notion that this will mean they will enjoy a better existance as a result.

If you desperately want the luxurious conditions of being a teacher then why dont you be one? It's apparently a p1ss easy job and you get paid more than any other.

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Not at all, I do feel like they are just 'pawns' in a bigger game, but they play their part well. Don't you think?

Yes they work hard, and probably for a new teacher it must be very hard. The same with holidays. If the school is closed, then what are they supposed to do? Clean it?

But all this 'it's very difficult', 'we have to plan the lessons' blah, blah blah. It just doesn't cut it I'm afraid. It's the same thing every bloody year!

I wouldn't want to do it, kids are a pain in the ar$e.

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I do agree that the system has let the teaching profession down...far too many tick boxes, bureaucracy, targets and changes, when all pupils want to do is learn and teachers teach....the teaching profession is not run for the teachers, it is there for the kids...respect for teachers is less than it used to be IMO.....why is that?

Why do schools in other countries produce children with higher levels of skills and ability, leaving school knowing the basics plus both good academic and vocational skills depending on the child......any average child should be trained enough at 18 to leave school and be ready to continue learning and earning in the workplace......why have we still got schools failing our children?

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I wouldn't want to do it, kids are a pain in the ar$e.

So how much would you expect to be paid to do the job? £22k? £25k? At what price would you exchange your labour to write the same lesson plans each year, take 52 weeks holiday, a gold plated pension and coast along for the rest of your life?

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For all of that... I'd do it for free.

For all the money they put in, I'd be expecting an army of Einstein's stacking the shelves of my local spar shop, but from what I've seen from the yoof of today, they are more like Igor. I'd expect a little bit more after 12 years of indoctrination.

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An interesting range of opinions including the usual Daily Mail reposte (based on headlines rather than real facts)...so here are mine:-

a) Why do people feel that they know 'best' on how to teach based on the fact that they have attended school...do these same people tell a surgeon how to operate on them because that have used an Elastoplast before?

B) Why do the current government justify the use of Ofsted to maintain high standard yet allow the employment of unqualified teachers in Free schools?

c) Why if teaching is such a 'cushy' job do we have a shortage of teachers?...surely its not human nature to decline such easy work for amazing pay/holidays/pension?

d) Why are those who argue that their schooling/education/teachers were so useless able to argue so eloquently?....or are they/was it?

e) Why do politicians treat education/teachers like a political football one moment and then wonder why nobody wants to join their recruitment drive into the profession (?) the next?...

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As I've said to my wife on numerous occasions: The way for teachers to take industrial action is by work to rule. Do exactly what is timetabled and nothing more. The education system couldn't function without teachers putting in significant unpaid time.

The difference between a mere wage-droid and a professional person is that the one has no expectation of working more than his contracted hours (often measured by a clock), while the other expects always to do what it takes - commonly a lot more than specified in some contract.

There are those who describe teaching as a "profession", thereby assigning teachers to the latter camp. Are you saying they're fundamentally wrong?

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Evidence or STFU :)

Or are you saying they're not entitled to a holiday at all?? :blink:

We are saying they whinge about having to work on their holidays - when we all know its complete tosh.

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An interesting range of opinions including the usual Daily Mail reposte (based on headlines rather than real facts)...so here are mine:-

a) Why do people feel that they know 'best' on how to teach based on the fact that they have attended school...do these same people tell a surgeon how to operate on them because that have used an Elastoplast before?

B) Why do the current government justify the use of Ofsted to maintain high standard yet allow the employment of unqualified teachers in Free schools?

c) Why if teaching is such a 'cushy' job do we have a shortage of teachers?...surely its not human nature to decline such easy work for amazing pay/holidays/pension?

d) Why are those who argue that their schooling/education/teachers were so useless able to argue so eloquently?....or are they/was it?

e) Why do politicians treat education/teachers like a political football one moment and then wonder why nobody wants to join their recruitment drive into the profession (?) the next?...

Oh dear. The onslaught of the sweeping, unsubstantiated generalisations.

a. Example, please?

b. Government fads come and go. Good and bad teachers, and the NUT representing the latter, have been with us a long time.

c. Shortage? Where? Around here there's a big surplus of qualified teachers who have tried and failed to get jobs in the schools. Some make a living doing private tuition, others do completely different things from driving a taxi to working as a hospital administrator.

d. Example, please?

e. See b. above. What recruitment drive?

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I'll have a go...

a) We know best, because we have been forced to endure 12 years of the monotonous, control freaks. With their onerous rules and petty bitch fighting.

B) They know it's broken so are looking for another way. Your average teacher = school, college, university. Back to school... They know nothing of the real world. Nothing.

c) Who wants to be hated by everybody. Not me. I'd rather wash old women's backsides than destroy a young mind.

d) Self education... after the fact. Thank god for primary school (they taught me to read).

e) They love it because most of the population has to get involved (children). They can pull it around like a piece of play-doh and create any narrative they want. Like the NHS.

f) awwwww.

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I wouldn't want to be a teacher - but the idea they have it tough in regards to time off is ridiculous.

Nevertheless, some of the more overblown claims such as you've posted to this thread are neither more helpful nor accurate than the NUT and mindless lefties whinging.

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Oh, its not just teachers. There's a lot more people involved away from the chalkface.

When Gove was banging on about the educational establishment/blob, he was not making it up.

There's layer upon layer dependent on the schools.

What do I know of teaching?

Christ, most posters on this site have been through 11 years of mandatory.

Its a bit like the British Leyland unions using the argument about 'What do you know about cars' when a customer was complaining about the latest bit of rusty sh1t that rolled off the production line in the 70s.

Kids + parents are the consumers of the work that teachers and the educational establishment FFS!

Again, crude measurement of worth - Did my teachers add any value to the coursebooks for my GCSE's?

i.e. can a flesh and blood teacher on 25k (+25k of pension entitlement) beat a ~£10 book.

Biology + Geography - Yes.

Maths - borderline, Computer Science - not really.

Physics - very patchy.

English - no, I would have been better with a subscription to the New Yorker and a copy of Strunk + White.

Tech Drawing + Design - easily beaten by the book.

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My MIL was a department head and my FIL (now passed away) was also a teacher. The stresses that he was put under (in a South London shit hole) undoubtedly contributed to his dementia and eventual death. He had a break-down at one point and never recovered.

I'm not saying teaching is fraught with difficulty, just that, as in any profession, some get an easy ride and some don't.

Hell is other people's children. It's an industry ripe for automation IMO, robots doing the babysitting during the day so kids can socialise, and online learning for the academic side of schooling.

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An interesting range of opinions including the usual Daily Mail reposte (based on headlines rather than real facts)...so here are mine:-

a) Why do people feel that they know 'best' on how to teach based on the fact that they have attended school...do these same people tell a surgeon how to operate on them because that have used an Elastoplast before?

B) Why do the current government justify the use of Ofsted to maintain high standard yet allow the employment of unqualified teachers in Free schools?

c) Why if teaching is such a 'cushy' job do we have a shortage of teachers?...surely its not human nature to decline such easy work for amazing pay/holidays/pension?

d) Why are those who argue that their schooling/education/teachers were so useless able to argue so eloquently?....or are they/was it?

e) Why do politicians treat education/teachers like a political football one moment and then wonder why nobody wants to join their recruitment drive into the profession (?) the next?...

Common sense posts are wasted. You need to get with the "teachers are lefty scum" agenda.

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Physics - very patchy.

I only ever asked one question in my physics in all the time that I was there. Here it is... "how does a diode work?" - answer : "You will have to go to university to find that out!"

12 years @ £25,000 a year... For that $hit. Actually he was a good teacher, but he wasn't teaching anything new to me... I know....

Fu*king school, brain dead morons teaching $hit to other brain dead morons. 12 years of my life... and I'll never get it back! :D

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Common sense posts are wasted. You need to get with the "teachers are lefty scum" agenda.

I though they were? It's like going to music school and then complaining that they are all musical.

It goes without saying, like the sky is blue and the rain is wet.

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Porca, generalisations of course....its a general post, not a thesis with specific hypotheses:-

(a) Amount of Education Ministers that had any experience of the system...and then the next week were able to seamlessly move onto another specialist area. Your own post above.

(B) The 'fad' has been with us for the last 20-25 years, does this mean that before learning was useless....Also, what is the cost of this 'fad' to those currently going through system?

© Demand/supply can be regional (salaries are same North/South so much more beneficial to work in North HENCE more teaching jobs in South) AND subject specific (i.e. English/PE lots of graduates but fewer other career options to go to, Maths/Science/Engineering, fewer graduates and more career options...oh, and better paid options in the 'real' word to 'seduce' them)....Ask yourself 'Why are the government putting ads to people to come from other careers into teaching....supply/requirement?...unless its some for of party political broadcast.

(d) Look at the posters above...most seems to be able to write coherently...specific example look at SpyGuys comment above '80% bad teachers'..well, his 20% must have been really good as he seems literate :).

(e) Have you not seen the TV ads recently?

As for xswampy...you little devil!...advocate?!....although I kind of agree with the school-university-school....but it hasn't stopped out political leaders has it?...your point © demonstrates why nobody really wants to look at teaching as a career and why the political class can get away with treating it like a football and your point (d)..well, it wasn't completely useless then?!

RK...yes, I should have known better...I will get back to the Daily Mail so that I can become more informed on rational public opinion.

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As for xswampy...you little devil!...advocate?!....although I kind of agree with the school-university-school....but it hasn't stopped out political leaders has it?...your point © demonstrates why nobody really wants to look at teaching as a career and why the political class can get away with treating it like a football and your point (d)..well, it wasn't completely useless then?!

I'm glad you liked it.

Simple fact. I am my education. I like who I am, so my education couldn't have been all that bad. The dross we are turning out now, well we will have to wait to find out. I can tell you this... It's not looking too good, I'm afraid.

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I have just been looking for a tutor to help my son with his GCSE's (why the F I need to hire a tutor when I am paying £6,000 a year for him to attend a STATE school is an entirely different question!)

Searching on a tutor hunt site there appear to be well over 100 teachers in a 7 mile radius that cover a wide number of subjects. Pretty much all of them state they are available 'any evening after 5pm' and any time at the weekend.

Several that I contacted had 8-10 students working with them at the moment but had room for another. Perhaps these are just the organised ones?

In the end I opted for a nineteen year old - straight a*'s at A level and an enthusiastic young man not charging too much but earning enough to supplement his University fees.

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