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Apologies if I missed a previous thread - just found episode 3 of this on 4 on demand.

Livid.

Warning: You'll want to machine gun the BTL scumlords and anybody in a decision making role in the benefits system

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Something is badly wrong when we have a system which rewards landlords and letting agents for providing such a service. I feel slightly ashamed where the British people have ended up as a society but don't see that the political will is there to get us out of this negative circle.

The power over people's lives that some landlords have is immoral. I agree that some tenants do very little to help themselves but they are totally demoralised and helpless.

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The power over people's lives that some landlords have is immoral. I agree that some tenants do very little to help themselves but they are totally demoralised and helpless.

It has nothing to do with landlords. It is only caused by Labour and Tory governments, who limit the number of avaiable building plots to keep house prices and rents artifically high. Plush the housing benefit inflates the prices on the top.

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It has nothing to do with landlords. It is only caused by Labour and Tory governments, who limit the number of avaiable building plots to keep house prices and rents artifically high. Plush the housing benefit inflates the prices on the top.

your avin a giraffe mate. all the landlords ive had have been utter t*ssers.

how many btl ave you got then ?

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your avin a giraffe mate. all the landlords ive had have been utter t*ssers.

how many btl ave you got then ?

and same for 2nd handed car dealers; it is not a problem; the problem is that government reduces choice and inflates prices

a typical building cost of 2bed flat is about £30k; why the govenrnment does not allow to build them on free state/council land ??? your mortgage/rent would be then £150 pm and you would have plenty of choice

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Something is badly wrong when we have a system which rewards landlords and letting agents for providing such a service. I feel slightly ashamed where the British people have ended up as a society but don't see that the political will is there to get us out of this negative circle.

The power over people's lives that some landlords have is immoral. I agree that some tenants do very little to help themselves but they are totally demoralised and helpless.

Isn't that the truth.

Working gets you f'en nowhere, good luck to these so called benefit spongers.

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and same for 2nd handed car dealers; it is not a problem; the problem is that government reduces choice and inflates prices

a typical building cost of 2bed flat is about £30k; why the govenrnment does not allow to build them on free state/council land ??? your mortgage/rent would be then £150 pm and you would have plenty of choice

I'm not saying you're wrong, but who do you think would be building and living in those houses? Given the wage levels in the UK, the generosity of the benefits system, and the open-door immigration policy, this would simply result in an even larger percentage of the population of Eastern and Southern Europe relocating to the UK.

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but who do you think would be building and living in those houses? Given the wage levels in the UK, the generosity of the benefits system, and the open-door immigration policy, this would simply result in an even larger percentage of the population of Eastern and Southern Europe relocating to the UK.

That's a re really interesting point. What you are implying is one of the consequences of artificially inflating housing cost is to diminish the desirability of the UK as a new domicile. You might have a point. It shifts the burden from the few, the wealthy and the law makers, to the many through the added burden of housing cost. This could be used as one factor to depress immigration from the poorer parts of the EU. This allows the UK to meet what EU law demands but shifts the burden on to the poor who don't count.

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That's a re really interesting point. What you are implying is one of the consequences of artificially inflating housing cost is to diminish the desirability of the UK as a new domicile. You might have a point. It shifts the burden from the few, the wealthy and the law makers, to the many through the added burden of housing cost. This could be used as one factor to depress immigration from the poorer parts of the EU. This allows the UK to meet what EU law demands but shifts the burden on to the poor who don't count.

This is the problem of the elite in the UK, of any political party.

The country faces multiple, inter-related but not insurmountable challenges. House prices, immigration, labour productivity, and financial stability are all connected. It should be the role of the political elite to act in the best interest of the country, but rather than do that, they've demonized the concept of nationalism, thereby excusing themselves from having to act in the best interests of the country. Instead, we get gimmicks and half-measures that don't deal with the real issues, but simply reward the elite -- high house prices, bloated management salaries in the NHS and universities, obscene pay-offs to banking parasites.

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The money they are getting for a HMO in a craps area is incredible. 100 a week for something the size of a prison cell.

They are saying the margins aren't great yet every agent and landlord is driving about in a top of the range car so it can't be that bad.

I felt sorry for the tenants as they were at their lowest ebb with nowhere else to go but the agents and landlords are pure parasites.

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The bit that nearly saw my telly get a fist through it was "working families the going rate is 650, but we can get 850 for a family on housing benefit"

When will the normal working people realise how completely they are being screwed over by the establishment?

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It's funny (ot not) that just about every industry except housing and banking is prohibited from receving state subsidies yet here we are in the 21st century in a situation that more closely resembles feudal medieval England than a so-called progressive, modern society. The stranglehold that banks, property and land owners have on the economy is truly staggering. How far will it need to go before there are pitch forks violating the exclusion zone outside parliament?

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I watched this on Monday and was irritated by one of the first comments made by the female Lettings Manager in Leeds. She said that a house that would rent to non claimant worker tenants for say £550/month could achieve £850/month for doleys claiming Housing Benefit/ LHA. She then said something along the lines of 'As a business model, it's a no brainer really!' .

I wonder if she's proud that a significant portion of her business income is funded with taxpayers' money?!! Local Housing Allowance has given her the opportunity to ponce around in her Jaguar! <_< I sincerely hope that the incumbant government can get to grips with this. It's disgusting that a rental uplift can apply where LHA is concerned.

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She said that a house that would rent to non claimant worker tenants for say £550/month could achieve £850/month for doleys claiming Housing Benefit/ LHA. She then said something along the lines of 'As a business model, it's a no brainer really!' .

This is why it is quite obvious it is deliberate theft from the taxpayer. The problem is obvious as is the solution yet no party is even talking about it, why is that?

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I'm not saying you're wrong, but who do you think would be building and living in those houses? Given the wage levels in the UK, the generosity of the benefits system, and the open-door immigration policy, this would simply result in an even larger percentage of the population of Eastern and Southern Europe relocating to the UK.

so you are suggesting to have high house prices to stop the immigration ??? Are you high ?

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I watched this on Monday and was irritated by one of the first comments made by the female Lettings Manager in Leeds. She said that a house that would rent to non claimant worker tenants for say £550/month could achieve £850/month for doleys claiming Housing Benefit/ LHA. She then said something along the lines of 'As a business model, it's a no brainer really!' .

Traditionally LHA tennants were high risk, i.e. spend the money on booze and fags then trash the place before they leave. I don't know if things have changed but it's not surprising that landlords would want some kind of premium.

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I watched this on Monday and was irritated by one of the first comments made by the female Lettings Manager in Leeds. She said that a house that would rent to non claimant worker tenants for say £550/month could achieve £850/month for doleys claiming Housing Benefit/ LHA. She then said something along the lines of 'As a business model, it's a no brainer really!' .

If they're openly talking about it on the box, that's progress. It paves the way for public opinion to rebel against it.

Eventually.

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These premium incomes for homes rented to LHA claimants make me ever more in favour of capped private rents. Maybe say no more than 10% of a similar sized council property or social rented HA home.

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These premium incomes for homes rented to LHA claimants make me ever more in favour of capped private rents. Maybe say no more than 10% of a similar sized council property or social rented HA home.

No.

Just stop housing benefit and/or make benefits contribution based.

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so you are suggesting to have high house prices to stop the immigration ??? Are you high ?

I'm not suggesting that we should have high house prices to stop immigration. I'm saying that high house prices already stop (some) immigration -- while also imposing a huge burden on society.

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No.

Just stop housing benefit and/or make benefits contribution based.

I hope you like violence and crime, because that's what you'll get if you deny millions of working age people any income or access to capital.

The UK already did the 'stand on your own two feet, landless peasants' experiment in Victorian times and it's being repeated in the shanty towns of Asia and Africa every day. Do we really need to relearn that lesson?

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Or just compulsory purchase agricultural at its agricultural value + compensation and build a large amount of social housing that isn't for sale

Social housing solves 2 problems - low supply & current ridiculous housing benefit bill, and the misery caused by the assured short term tenancy

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I hope you like violence and crime, because that's what you'll get if you deny millions of working age people any income or access to capital.

The UK already did the 'stand on your own two feet, landless peasants' experiment in Victorian times and it's being repeated in the shanty towns of Asia and Africa every day. Do we really need to relearn that lesson?

If you abolished housing benefit overnight, landlords would have no choice but to drop their rents because tenants wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. Their wouldn't be mass homelessness. No landlord can charge a price higher than what people can afford.

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If you abolished housing benefit overnight, landlords would have no choice but to drop their rents because tenants wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. Their wouldn't be mass homelessness. No landlord can charge a price higher than what people can afford.

Aren't there a sizeable proportion of landlords so leveraged that a drop in rent would cause instant default?

I'm guessing we'd see a situation where banks become landlords on a mass scale, rather than people on the street?

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