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Did you watch the leaders tv debate? If so, what did you think of their performance? Not just what they said but how they came across. Give them a score from from 1 to 10, 10 being the best they can get, 1 being the worst.

Cameron = 6. He is a good orator but came across as quite aloof and not really wanting to be there. He also lied through his teeth and a lot of what he said came across as verbatim.

Plaid Cymru = 5. She seemed nice enough, a bit mumsy and robootic. Not really relevant to me in London though.

Nicola Sturgeon = 6. Good speaker, got her points across well, but also came across as a typical politician and a bit "I know best"/Thatcherlike ironically at times. A lot of what she said just sounded barmy to me and not common sense.

Ed Miliband = 3. The worst performance of the lot. Very insincere and talking like a robot and had obviously learnt a lot of his answers verbatim. Made some strange faces and gestures throughout. Not convincing as a strong personality and his answers were pretty vague and his ideas pretty basic "soundbites". Trying to clone Blair when nuLabour/Blairism is not popular. Not good.

Nigel Farage = 7. A likeable character, very good at public speaking. Gets his points across well and seems to have good rapport with the audience. Doesn't come across as just another robotic politician. However, seems obsessed with immigration and some of his points sounded very simple and narrow minded. Didn't always give credible answers regarding how problems would be resolved once immigration was reduced. One trick pony hiding behind a charismatic personality.

Nick Clegg = 6. Similar to Cameron. Comes across as very professional, versed in how to talk politics to the public. However, also came across as having learned his answers verbatim and not all that sincere although better than Cameron. Seemed slightly more humble. Didn't really say anything new though and wasn't very convincing about all the changes he was advocating.

Natalie Bennett = 7. I thought she came across really well, much better than I expected. She spoke well, seemed professional and made her points clearly. She did not come across as a completely crazy socialist, even though some of her policies are obviously insane. Made some good points and differentiated herself from the others. Seems sincere and likeable.

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Just watching the Newsnight audience. Tinsel tits was really pissed off no-one rated Miliband, instead they thought Natalie Bennet and Cameroun won. Ok even I share his incredulity that NB won but I didn't watch the 2 hrs of waffle.

Once comment. Miliband turns people off "me me me, when I'm prime minister" "he came over like a used car saleman". So maybe the Guardian's claims that "he connects" with people is wishful thinking.

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It's all marvelous. It's all going to be fixed with more money from the magic money tree.

Overall I found it rather unedifying and embarrassing to watch

My order based simply upon performance on the night

Cameron

Farage / Bennett

Woods

Clegg/Miliband/Sturgeon

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I thought that from a pure presentation point of view Nicola Sturgeon came across best. She seemed competent, likeable and at ease. Clearly she was talking twaddle but it appeared superficially attractive.

Nigel Farage could have done much better, he didn't land the blows well enough and came across more awkwardly than I expected.

Cameron was forgettable which is probably what he was aiming for, Milliband was smug and unlikable.

Clegg would have done OK were it not for the blatant hypocrisy of arguing against his own coalition policies.

The Green woman was nervous as hell at the start and seemed weak and easy to push around. The Welsh woman was a waste of space in all respects.

My best guess as to a result would be a stronger SNP vote, and therefore a weaker overall Labour position. I don't expect a significant swing towards or away from the Tories or UKIP.

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I agree - Hitchens 10/10 (Newsnight), Farage 10/10 (Leader's debate). I liked Hitchin's comment about us celebrating the independence of former colonial lands, yet we don't want our own independence from Europe.

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I was disappointed with Farage. Thought he came across as rather nervous and implied that all problems could be solved by reducing immigration. Was probably trying to be the "non-PC" candidate.

Natalie Bennett did well. Avoided focusing on the Greens "green" agenda which probably helped.

I thought Nick Clegg did O.K. but it won't help him or his party who's vote will collapse at the G.E.

Cameron and Miliband stuck to their scripts and presented nothing new.

Thought Nicola Sturgeon came across as over confident and vying to be kingmaker in a coalition government.

Leanne Woods was out of her depth.

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It seems that Nicola Sturgeon is even popular outside of Scotland:

Britain-wide instant reaction poll (YouGov) :

Nicola Sturgeon 28%
Nigel Farage 20%
David Cameron 18%
Ed Miliband 15%
Nick Clegg 10%
Natalie Bennett 5%
Leanne Wood 4%

Whilst in Scotland....

Who do you think won the debate? (Survation, Scottish respondents only) :

Nicola Sturgeon 46.5%
Ed Miliband 24.8%
Nigel Farage 13.3%
David Cameron 8.9%
Nick Clegg 5.6%
Leanne Wood 0.9%
Natalie Bennett 0.0%

It must be squeeky bum time for Creepy Jim, Deputy Dug and the rest of the North Britain Labour accounting department!

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Thought Nicola Sturgeon came across as over confident and vying to be kingmaker in a coalition government.

She has every right to be confident! Tick tock Westminster establishment tick tock.

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It seems that Nicola Sturgeon is even popular outside of Scotland:

Britain-wide instant reaction poll (YouGov) :

Nicola Sturgeon 28%

Nigel Farage 20%

David Cameron 18%

Ed Miliband 15%

Nick Clegg 10%

Natalie Bennett 5%

Leanne Wood 4%

Whilst in Scotland....

Who do you think won the debate? (Survation, Scottish respondents only) :

Nicola Sturgeon 46.5%

Ed Miliband 24.8%

Nigel Farage 13.3%

David Cameron 8.9%

Nick Clegg 5.6%

Leanne Wood 0.9%

Natalie Bennett 0.0%

It must be squeeky bum time for Creepy Jim, Deputy Dug and the rest of the North Britain Labour accounting department!

I wouldn't trust anything Yougov say about anything tbh.

Owned and run for the Tory party by Stephan Shakespeare.

Makes you wonder what they're up to doesn't it?

Presumably a vote for Farage or the SNP is really a vote for Ed?

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I wouldn't trust anything Yougov say about anything tbh.

Owned and run for the Tory party by Stephan Shakespeare.

Makes you wonder what they're up to doesn't it?

Presumably a vote for Farage or the SNP is really a vote for Ed?

OK maybe you don't like YouGov. What about the Britain wide ComRes poll:

Nigel Farage 21%

David Cameron 21%

Ed Miliband 21%

Nicola Sturgeon 20%

Nick Clegg 9%

Natalie Bennett 5%

Leanne Wood 2%

Britain wide and Nicola is basically joint first! It is good to see that the rest of Britain hasn't swallowed the anti SNP propoganda the MSM have been pumping out.

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Puppets for big companies and rich people the lot of them.

The SNP is definitely not for the rich. Land reform breaking up big estates for a start.

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The SNP is definitely not for the rich. Land reform breaking up big estates for a start.

They're career politicians and borderline communists, with a huge chip on their shoulder towards the English (as most Jocks do)

They're for themselves being rich that's for sure.

But i hope they wipe out Labour in Scotland and that the SNP and Labour fall just short of the 326 seats needed, chaos is what is needed to help a HPC.

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They're career politicians and borderline communists, with a huge chip on their shoulder towards the English (as most Jocks do)

They're for themselves being rich that's for sure.

But i hope they wipe out Labour in Scotland and that the SNP and Labour fall just short of the 326 seats needed, chaos is what is needed to help a HPC.

Oh purleeeese!

Your claim that SNP politicians are in it for the money is ignorant at best.

Alex Salmond pledges to donate salary to charity

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/423924/alex-salmond-pledges-donate-salary-charity/

Alex Salmond donates his pension to north-east charity

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/404401/salmond-donates-pension-to-north-east-charity/

Parties unite behind freeze on MSP pay

http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/7156-parties_unite_behind_freeze_msp_pay

You need to stop swalling the rubbish coming from the London propaganda machine!

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Being as i want you out of the Union i don't swallow the London propaganda.

For himself and Sturgeon to be getting 2 salaries when effectively doing 1 job as a politician quite clearly would cost them votes.

Here from your very own link -

Mr Salmond, who has six pensions and has earned more than £1million since 2007, said: “I have already made it clear that I am not retiring from politics and therefore this is the right thing to do.

Yes he isn't in it for the money at all is he, christ 6 pensions for being a career politician and yet you tell me he isn't a trougher.

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Being as i want you out of the Union i don't swallow the London propaganda.

For himself and Sturgeon to be getting 2 salaries when effectively doing 1 job as a politician quite clearly would cost them votes.

Here from your very own link -

Mr Salmond, who has six pensions and has earned more than £1million since 2007, said: “I have already made it clear that I am not retiring from politics and therefore this is the right thing to do.

Yes he isn't in it for the money at all is he, christ 6 pensions for being a career politician and yet you tell me he isn't a trougher.

You are seriously suggesting Alex Salmond is in politics for the money? Really?

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The SNP won the debate in terms of presentation I thought- how odd that someone who wants to break up the union came across as more credible than the current leader of the opposition in terms of their ability to lead it.

Milliband was like something from invasion of the body snatchers- that sudden lurch into 'addressing the nation' mode halfway through an answer was really disconcerting, as if there were two different people in one body. It's sad because when he speaks off the cuff he really does come across as a sincere and decent man.

Ferage was less impressive than I expected- some good points but a real lack of ideas beyond his home ground of immigration control.

Clegg was as brilliantly vacuous as ever.

Cameron was on autopilot- except for that brief moment when he genuinely seemed to get angry with Clegg's blatant hypocrisy in slagging off policies he himself had actually signed off on- kind of ironic to see a politician enraged by hypocrisy- like a dung beetle suddenly asking 'What on earth is that horrible smell?'

I liked the Welsh lady- she seemed to actually care about the people she represented.

Lady Green was better than I expected- but lurking in the background is a lot of truly wacky stuff that no one beyond the tree hugging minority will ever take seriously.

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