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Farage would have been better served discussing the total cost of treating foreign patients in the UK. Unfortunately he is such an incompetent, that he focused on a very emotive illness.

Oh Well :)..... How old are you?

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Farage would have been better served discussing the total cost of treating foreign patients in the UK. Unfortunately he is such an incompetent, that he focused on a very emotive illness.

Oh Well :)..... How old are you?

Old enough to know what is right and what is wrong.
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I've come around to the SNP thinking here too. The objectives on Europe, immigration and defense are clearly different and Scotalnd would be better on its own.

The SNP has been the most impressive and effective political party in the UK for some time and this debate confirmed that fact. They are doubtless helped by the fact they have a relatively simple set of political goals which they have been able to keep focussed on.

Farage and the Greens Leader for all their faults and occasional gaffes at least don't look like their spieling the completely premedidated bromides that LabLibCon keep coming up with in these debates. The desperation of Cameron and Miliband to be PM is almost palpable. One wonders if they would eat babies live on prime time TV if they thought it would get them into number 10.

BTW no admission from either the Coalition or Labour that public administration be it tax, benefits, immigration, policing etc has often been shambolic and sometimes corrupt under both this government and its Labour predecessor. There is precious little point worrying about policy promises when it is clear none of the parties are capable of governing effectively when they are in power. Again one of the reasons the SNP has flourished in Scotland is that it has shown itself no worse and often much better than Labour or Tories in running the nuts and bolts of government. One of the reasons the UK is breaking apart is because the actual official apparatus used to run it is disintegrating before our eyes.

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Farage would have been better served discussing the total cost of treating foreign patients in the UK. Unfortunately he is such an incompetent, that he focused on a very emotive illness.

Oh Well :)..... How old are you?

Further to what I wrote earlier, the HIV cost subject is clear fact atleast and it is the most discussed part of the debate, from that perhaps he is not so incompetant after all.

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Further to what I wrote earlier, the HIV cost subject is clear fact atleast and it is the most discussed part of the debate, from that perhaps he is not so incompetant after all.

As is the total cost of all treatment of non-UK residents, but he still chose the most emotive of subjects. Why didn't he just choose GP visits? That would have given a far higher headline figure, and would have elicited far less of an emotional response.

Something along the lines of "£5m spent on clearing up the rest of the worlds 'sniffles', NHS shocker!".

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The SNP has been the most impressive and effective political party in the UK for some time and this debate confirmed that fact. They are doubtless helped by the fact they have a relatively simple set of political goals which they have been able to keep focussed on.

Farage and the Greens Leader for all their faults and occasional gaffes at least don't look like their spieling the completely premedidated bromides that LabLibCon keep coming up with in these debates. The desperation of Cameron and Miliband to be PM is almost palpable. One wonders if they would eat babies live on prime time TV if they thought it would get them into number 10.

BTW no admission from either the Coalition or Labour that public administration be it tax, benefits, immigration, policing etc has often been shambolic and sometimes corrupt under both this government and its Labour predecessor. There is precious little point worrying about policy promises when it is clear none of the parties are capable of governing effectively when they are in power. Again one of the reasons the SNP has flourished in Scotland is that it has shown itself no worse and often much better than Labour or Tories in running the nuts and bolts of government. One of the reasons the UK is breaking apart is because the actual official apparatus used to run it is disintegrating before our eyes.

A little off topic, but the cage is certainly rattled...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/search/?queryText=tactical+voting&sort=relevant

A lot of pressure groups appearing to promote tactical voting

https://www.facebook.com/BritU1

They obviously have no idea of the effect that a perceived injustice has on Scot's.... Wha daur meddle wi' me?

Nemo me impune lacessit for those South of the border... :lol:

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greens plan is costed (as far as Im aware)

I disagree with the emboldened bit. The debt isnt an issue and in any event cutting spending only increases it (as Tories have proved over last 5 years). The problem in terms of the electorate is that the Tories/dems and media have so convinced the public that govt spending is a "problem" to be solved by cutting it most people seem to actually believe it which is a shame because you then end up with govts like the current one.

"Cutting spending only increases it [debt]"? No,we have not proved any such thing. Tories inherited a huge deficit and huge pile of debt. Debt is of course going to go up when you have a deficit that cannot be eliminated immediately. It's not the total debt that we should look at, it is the deficit. And the deficit has gone down in every single year of austerity. In other words, the policy is having the intended effect. We are getting close to having balanced books. We cannot "spend our way out of trouble" and if we do choose to take that path, austerity will one day be the least of our troubles.

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As is the total cost of all treatment of non-UK residents, but he still chose the most emotive of subjects. Why didn't he just choose GP visits? That would have given a far higher headline figure, and would have elicited far less of an emotional response.

Something along the lines of "£5m spent on clearing up the rest of the worlds 'sniffles', NHS shocker!".

Probably because it wouldn't get people talking the way they have on social media in the same way

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