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What a total prat.

I'm astonished you lot are taken in by this charlatan, the reason why the banks were bailed-out so swiftly is because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Government Debt. The West is broke for more complex reasons than "the bankers stole our money".

I notice he didn't visit the offices of Goldman Sachs, you remember the bank that sold instruments it knew to be toxic to clients (pension funds etc) whilst betting against them and when it blew up they strong-armed the US government into bailing-out their losses via AIG. No, he goes to a domestic bank that was a victim of this fraud!

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How about we have Brand and Keiser as the Top Gear presenters. That would be hilarious.

I'd pay a subscription to watch that!

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What a total prat.

I'm astonished you lot are taken in by this charlatan, the reason why the banks were bailed-out so swiftly is because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Government Debt. The West is broke for more complex reasons than "the bankers stole our money"...

That's an unfortunate post. Government debt on their balance sheets is an asset (stuff owed to the bank, not stuff the bank owes). What you should have said if that's your argument is ...because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Private Savings/Deposits, Private debt.

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What a total prat.

I'm astonished you lot are taken in by this charlatan, the reason why the banks were bailed-out so swiftly is because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Government Debt. The West is broke for more complex reasons than "the bankers stole our money".

I notice he didn't visit the offices of Goldman Sachs, you remember the bank that sold instruments it knew to be toxic to clients (pension funds etc) whilst betting against them and when it blew up they strong-armed the US government into bailing-out their losses via AIG. No, he goes to a domestic bank that was a victim of this fraud!

hmm, that is the same bank that in the US,tried to suggest if they weren't bailed out there would be martial law.

and they made a bit of a pigs ear of greece being admitted to the eurozone in the firstplace.

lets face it,they do have a few questions to answer..and the yanks really don't take at all kindly to extortion.

ps it's not government debt...it's our money they have been squandering,and then some...and they have left the little people to carry the can for their bad decisions.

now in proper capitalism,if you make a bad bet,you get punished

in industry,if you make a bad product,you get punished at the till by guys who make a better product or the same quality as yours for less cost.

the problem with present day banking is it is monopolised...a bit of competition is healthy.

if they want to stay top dog then thay have to provide a better service for less...or get punished.

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I think he's confused with countries like Italy, France and Greece that forced banks to buy their bonds. That was NOT the issue with the UK at the time. It was that they ended up having to hold their crappy securitised mortgages once there was a run on their offshore SIVs.

Having said that, a number of legislative changes have taken place that force financial companies to hold more government securities for risk and liquidity reasons.

Maybe. I'm no defender for either of a government-bank duopoly but 6 weeks before a general election it's just a bit sad to read. Today's concerns over the scale of the bailouts, corruption and continued public f#cking over should be magnitudes beyond even a wrong way round criticism of government debt.

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Yeah I like him too. He can be a bit of a knob, of course, but hat's off to him - he is actually out there, saying these things and making plenty of noise, whilst we are all sat behind our keyboards. The really alarming thing is that I cannot think of a single other well known UK personality, politician or journalist that is out there raising the same issues. Although my gut reaction is to disagree with his advice not to vote, the fact is that there isn't a party to vote for that would make any difference to the status quo so he's probably right. With the lib-dems gone, and labour now tory-lite maybe its time for a radical new party of the left. Something that could get gen Y out to the polls could really shake things up.. maybe Brand is the man to lead it.

Whilst true, there's also the point that if I approach a film producer and suggest making a film I'll be told to feck off. I'd gladly have a go and making one but I'm "not important" and neither are most of the posters on here. The keyboard is all we have, unless there are any film producers on here who do fancy making a film about keyboard economic warriors, although I admit watching people type little rants into a keyboard may not be the most exciting film...

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I don't get lefties like Brand, says he supports gays/equal rights yet staunchly defends massively homophobic & misogynistic religions like Islam? :blink:

He scares the shit out of me frankly.

He's found out what the problem is. Well done him.

The marxists knew what some of the problems were. Didnt stop them foisting an even worse system on those who put their trust in them.

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What a total prat.

I'm astonished you lot are taken in by this charlatan, the reason why the banks were bailed-out so swiftly is because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Government Debt. The West is broke for more complex reasons than "the bankers stole our money".

I notice he didn't visit the offices of Goldman Sachs, you remember the bank that sold instruments it knew to be toxic to clients (pension funds etc) whilst betting against them and when it blew up they strong-armed the US government into bailing-out their losses via AIG. No, he goes to a domestic bank that was a victim of this fraud!

There is that. The trouble with people like Brand is there is this (faux or real) them and us mentality between the public and private sectors...the only real them and us is the banks/political establishment and everyone else.

The unions have this "the public sector is paying for the private sector's mistakes" kind of mentality...when the reality is the only reason that public service budgets got so bloated in the first place was because 40% thereabouts of what the banks counterfeit in money ends up in government coffers by way of taxes.

The banks debasement of purchasing power is borne by everyone, not just the public sector...who at the upper levels have the same self serving attitude as the banks.

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Never underestimate the publics ability to choose what they know (even if it is slavery) over what they dont.

Beppe Grillo spelled it all out, stood for election, and italy is still a system where the choice is corrupt socialists or corrupt privateers, both of whom are cozy with the banks.

People always prefer the certainty of misery to the misery of uncertainty, particularly in the UK. This is a nation that once had a civil war, chopped off the monarchs head, abolished the House of Lords and then decided a decade later to reinstate every thing they had just got rid off. Britain does not do change, easily or readily which is why those hoping for revolution are likely to end up disappointed. Edited by stormymonday_2011
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Is he ready to tell kids to start voting? Hope so.

If he explains to "the kids" that boomer scum only get looked after cos they vote, maybe he'd change some young minds.

I think you will find that he is disliked by most of the population

except the 'kids scum' who see him as some sort of saviour. - I dislike the tone of your post - see how unacceptable it is to call any generation 'scum'

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hey Russell, if you are here then hello etc.

I showed the trailer to my wife last night, she said we will go see it in the Cinemas as long as she can get some pick'n'mix also.

The last movie we saw in the cinema was Snake Eyes around 2000 or 2001 and never been back. That was a bad movie.

So thats a compliment. She will actually pay to see this movie of yours.

P.S. if it all works out, dont go all turncoat on us. Most of us on here have been declared mental by our families already.

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I don't get lefties like Brand, says he supports gays/equal rights yet staunchly defends massively homophobic & misogynistic religions like Islam? :blink:

I think, perhaps, you are confusing religion with culture. There are plenty of lefties that think 'multiculturalism' was a stupid idea.

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I think, perhaps, you are confusing religion with culture. There are plenty of lefties that think 'multiculturalism' was a stupid idea.

The two never exist in isolation. One absorbs the other, the left despise religion - unless it's a useful path to power.

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What a total prat.

I'm astonished you lot are taken in by this charlatan, the reason why the banks were bailed-out so swiftly is because most of the debt on their balance sheets is Government Debt. The West is broke for more complex reasons than "the bankers stole our money".

I notice he didn't visit the offices of Goldman Sachs, you remember the bank that sold instruments it knew to be toxic to clients (pension funds etc) whilst betting against them and when it blew up they strong-armed the US government into bailing-out their losses via AIG. No, he goes to a domestic bank that was a victim of this fraud!

The forum has been here before with Vince Cable

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He won't please everyone and for sure he'll know that but at least he's trying to throw some light on the subject. Who else in the UK is doing so in his sort of position. Education education education.

Compared to all the daily twisted propaganda and lies that has to be a good thing.

The newspapers can't even get the weather correct in their pursuit of ant-freeze sales etc - the UK was supposed to be getting some Siberian weather but it's been quite nice recently - so sales of anti-freeze will disappoint.

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I couldn't stand him as a TV presenter, but as an activist I like him.

I don't 'agree' with a lot of what he says, but he is a good antidote to the ubiquitous privately-educated, Oxbridge PPE graduate clones that have had a monopoly in telling us how the world works for too long. I also like the way he rabble rouses and encourages people to take direct action, rather than just moan on internet forums :)

But mainly I like the way he uses comedy to attack the status quo. History shows us that ridicule is an important part of disrupting people's belief in accepted truths.

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