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From today (9 March 2015), new EU migrants who have arrived in the UK will be prevented from claiming benefits until they have started work.

So if they do an hours work they can fill their boots.

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if they don’t have a job after 3 months they will lose their right to reside in the UK. New migrant jobseekers are also now unable to claim Housing Benefit.

hmmm. I'm sure their lawyers have been piling over this but it doesn't sound legal to me. IIRC the previous restrictions on housing benefit to six months are already subject to a legal challenge in the European Court, as is the the UK interpretation of the 'right to reside' I think.

The quote above is also a bit odd given that many EU job seekers like UK citizens who seek work abroad are covered by unemployment benefit from their home country for at least a few months.

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So they could make these sorts of changes all along.

Why haven't they?

WHat changes,they can get all benefits if they get any kind of job, plus have access to free education, free healthcare etc..

This is why Dave will be voted out (i hope) as at least Milliband is honest about filling the country full of 3rd worlders.

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hmmm. I'm sure their lawyers have been piling over this but it doesn't sound legal to me. IIRC the previous restrictions on housing benefit to six months are already subject to a legal challenge in the European Court, as is the the UK interpretation of the 'right to reside' I think.

The quote above is also a bit odd given that many EU job seekers like UK citizens who seek work abroad are covered by unemployment benefit from their home country for at least a few months.

Perfectly legal I think, the Germans won an ECJ case on denying benefits to EU migrants who've never worked http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/11/germany-deny-benefits-welfare-jobless-eu-migrants

The simple fact is if the Conservative really wanted to reform the benefits system they'd make all of them contribution based and kill two birds with one stone. Truth is they need an evil bogeyman with which to whip-up the hard of thinking into a rabid frenzy be it dole "scroungers"* or EU ex-pats.

* It's worked well 'n all because the hard of thinking (or is it intellectually challenged?) even view someone who has worked and paid NI for 30-years but is now on the dole as a scrounger.

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Perfectly legal I think, the Germans won an ECJ case on denying benefits to EU migrants who've never worked http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/11/germany-deny-benefits-welfare-jobless-eu-migrants

The simple fact is if the Conservative really wanted to reform the benefits system they'd make all of them contribution based and kill two birds with one stone. Truth is they need an evil bogeyman with which to whip-up the hard of thinking into a rabid frenzy be it dole "scroungers"* or EU ex-pats.

* It's worked well 'n all because the hard of thinking (or is it intellectually challenged?) even view someone who has worked and paid NI for 30-years but is now on the dole as a scrounger.

EU Expats infers the people who have come here intend to return, most East Europeans especially those with families will never return to where they came.

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So they could make these sorts of changes all along.

Why haven't they?

I don;t think they could until the German ECJ case went thru.

Put a contribution based benefit system in place, like our 'socialist' neighbours and the UK's benefit system will improve massively.

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The right to be able to live and work anywhere within the EU is fundamental. A lot of British people do.

Citizens should however be supported by the benefit system of the last country in which they worked (after a qualifing period), and subject to the limitations that country puts on "job seekers". I would suggest something like 3 months jobseeking in most countries is sufficient time to find gainful employment if you are employable.

Alternatively an EU administered - and EU funded benefits system. This would make the UK less attractive to scroungers as the UK are a soft touch at the moment compared to most European countries.

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The right to be able to live and work anywhere within the EU is fundamental. A lot of British people do.

Citizens should however be supported by the benefit system of the last country in which they worked (after a qualifing period), and subject to the limitations that country puts on "job seekers". I would suggest something like 3 months jobseeking in most countries is sufficient time to find gainful employment if you are employable.

Alternatively an EU administered - and EU funded benefits system. This would make the UK less attractive to scroungers as the UK are a soft touch at the moment compared to most European countries.

Or alternatively a work permit system and an end to open borders as it destroys the job prospects of the indigenous in richer economies.

As we have seen in the last 14 years

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EU Expats infers the people who have come here intend to return, most East Europeans especially those with families will never return to where they came.

Really? I'd be interested in seeing the statistics as I don't recall ever seeing the numbers published anywhere as to how many have come here for however long and subsequently left.

Or alternatively a work permit system and an end to open borders as it destroys the job prospects of the indigenous in richer economies.

As we have seen in the last 14 years

Points, work permits mean nothing without immigration targets (UKIP have dumped their immigration target http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/ukip-dumps-its-50000-immigration-target-could-this-help-the-tories/). The reason is big and small business will lobby the government to allow in uneducated and unskilled workers willing to be exploited.

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>> This would make the UK less attractive to scroungers as the UK are a soft touch at the moment compared to most European countries.

I thought we were supposed to have vicious penny-pinchers in power, with swingeing cuts, etc etc?

How come we are a soft-touch?... I never really understood this!

What do the other EU countries know that we don't?

Germany, Holland and Denmark have decent economies and better welfare... why are they not "soft touches"?

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>> This would make the UK less attractive to scroungers as the UK are a soft touch at the moment compared to most European countries.

I thought we were supposed to have vicious penny-pinchers in power, with swingeing cuts, etc etc?

How come we are a soft-touch?... I never really understood this!

What do the other EU countries know that we don't?

Germany, Holland and Denmark have decent economies and better welfare... why are they not "soft touches"?

No, they have contributory welfare systems.

You don;t pay then you don't draw out.

Most of Northern Europes system get very uncomfortable after you've been on it for 2+ years.

UK differs as its 'needs' based rather than contribution based. Which is fcking nuts in a world of ryanair + free movement.

Plus pay outs are time unlimited.

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Really? I'd be interested in seeing the statistics as I don't recall ever seeing the numbers published anywhere as to how many have come here for however long and subsequently left.

Points, work permits mean nothing without immigration targets (UKIP have dumped their immigration target http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/ukip-dumps-its-50000-immigration-target-could-this-help-the-tories/). The reason is big and small business will lobby the government to allow in uneducated and unskilled workers willing to be exploited.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/briefingPaper/document/40

35% to stay permanently, and i wonder how many of the remaining 65% will go back once here for a number of years.

The fact our immigrant population has rocketed during the last 15 years must tell you that "most" are staying.

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if they don’t have a job after 3 months they will lose their right to reside in the UK.

I thought this had always been the case but never enforced.

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if they don’t have a job after 3 months they will lose their right to reside in the UK.

I thought this had always been the case but never enforced.

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No, they have contributory welfare systems.

You don;t pay then you don't draw out.

Most of Northern Europes system get very uncomfortable after you've been on it for 2+ years.

UK differs as its 'needs' based rather than contribution based. Which is fcking nuts in a world of ryanair + free movement.

Plus pay outs are time unlimited.

Really interesting - thanks for the info.

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From today (9 March 2015), new EU migrants who have arrived in the UK will be prevented from claiming benefits until they have started work.

So if they do an hours work they can fill their boots.

Yes and there are plenty of corrupt agencies out there to make sure they will get the minimum requirements to qualify.

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