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Kelvin Mckenzie Love, Love, Loves Immigrants

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As with every other (modern) Tory the interests of the pro-EU City of London take precedence over everything else.

12 years of uninterrupted anti-EU propaganda on behalf of the the Dirty Digger but McKenzie won't hear a word against the idea of an open-door immigration policy now. Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to live 8 and 10 up in a Clapham semi.

"I'm all yours, Delors."

Scumbag.

When I was growing up in Camberwell, south London, the area was almost all white and working class. They stuck together, looked after each other, didn’t even like other white people from elsewhere. It was a fortress mentality. But the fortress would, of course, crumble.

I remember a nice guy called Muhammad, a consultant’s son on our rather upmarket council estate, who paid me to wash his car. As I grew up, we started to get used to seeing different skin colours. A few Afro-Caribbeans moved in. What I remember most about them was their style. It was particular.

From then to now, British public opinion on migration has too often been emotionally charged and uninformed. Just before the European and local elections last May, I took part in a Channel 5 discussion on immigration. As it went on, I was discomfited and at times baffled. One woman newspaper columnist was tough and uncompromising on the issue. A columnist should, I thought, be embracing clever people – white, black, brown, green, of whatever colour.

In some ways I suspect I was once similar to her. During my 12 years as Sun editor I am sure minorities – and even majorities – were maligned. Editors think they know everything, that they have an umbilical cord to the thought processes of readers. They simply don’t.

On that programme I appeared to be the only white person making the pro-minority argument. I am used to bear pits, but this was different, scary almost. No one was listening.

Stranger still: when I spoke it went deathly quiet. Usually when I speak everyone starts shouting and hollering. I felt more and more like an outsider. They must have had me down as being an extremist. When I didn’t conform to their prejudice they were shocked. Strangely and unusually I felt vaguely threatened.

In recent years, I’ve become aware of how language demeans settled minorities and incomers. They are not a disease or rats bringing pestilence. How do they feel, those working hard, doing their best? OK, we are a small island that has to control numbers. I don’t think newcomers should get benefits and free health service for the first six months, except in real emergencies. Asians and black people or eastern Europeans aren’t all angels. Nor are white people. There’s good and bad in everyone.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/24/britain-needs-migrants-sun-editor-kelvin-mackenzie

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I just cant click a link to a Kelvin Mckenzie in the Guardian, seems they're the only mugs who'll publish his nonsense these days after being booted from the Sun and DT after just a few days.

Id love to drop him off in the centre of a Toxteth pub.

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As with every other (modern) Tory the interests of the pro-EU City of London take precedence over everything else.

12 years of uninterrupted anti-EU propaganda on behalf of the the Dirty Digger but McKenzie won't hear a word against the idea of an open-door immigration policy now. Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to live 8 and 10 up in a Clapham semi.

"I'm all yours, Delors."

Scumbag.

" Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to live 8 and 10 up in a Clapham semi."

Great quote!

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I've got to laugh.

Are people here really so naive that they think any party will really do anything about immigration? Do you really think a points based system will make any difference?

Think about it St. Nigel has dropped UKIPs immigrant numbers cap http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2978926/Farage-making-goes-ditches-immigration-cap-days-Ukip-promised-limit-numbers.htmlThey can implement a strict points system but if companies (don't forget he is an ex-city boy) want "people willing to be exploited and do jobs Romanians or Bulgarians won't do" they can introduce a new category for "illiterate worker" that immediately qualifies them entry. In theory net migration could double and they'd be able to say "these are the immigrants we desperately need because we vetted them through a points system".

They know the reality, it's just some people struggle to accept it.

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I am puzzled about Muhammed the consultant's son. What was he doing on the 'upmarket council estate - Collecting rents from ex local authority BTLs? If Mackenzie was young it seems a bit early for that. Mackenzie's story rings unlikely and insincere.

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I've got to laugh.

Are people here really so naive that they think any party will really do anything about immigration? Do you really think a points based system will make any difference?...

Australia has a points system and generally tough immigration process.

It also has a worse, more highly leveraged housing market than we do.

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I just cant click a link to a Kelvin Mckenzie in the Guardian, seems they're the only mugs who'll publish his nonsense these days after being booted from the Sun and DT after just a few days.

Id love to drop him off in the centre of a Toxteth pub.

Mackenzie can no longer get a gig with a genuine mass market paper. The Guardian with its tiny circulation no longer fits in that category. It now only survives by garnering on line advertising revenue through publishing lots of click bait style articles on its web site as a sort of left wing version of the Daily Mail. This Mackenzie article fits squarely in that category.

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Australia has a points system and generally tough immigration process.

It also has a worse, more highly leveraged housing market than we do.

It is also more attractive to immigrants than the UK - it is the only rich tropical country.

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In recent years, I’ve become aware of how language demeans settled minorities and incomers. They are not a disease or rats bringing pestilence. How do they feel, those working hard, doing their best

This is an important point, but thinking immigration is a bad idea for all concerned is not the same as denigrating minorities and necomers.

It would be nice to see ukip or pegida doing some anti racism demos.

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Kelvin Mckenzie Love, Love, Loves Immigrants himself

Wasn't he editor of the Sun when it was still publishing child porn?

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An article making the usual claims on the subject and typical for a pre-election period over recent decades.

Yet again it fails to address the issue of housing the UK's rapidly increasing population.

He might even have taken the opportunity to discuss Labour's Mr Balls recent statement that no party will be building 200,000 new homes a year because of their high cost - but no.

He might have even attempted an estimate of how many new homes are going to be needed to accommodate the rapidly increasing population - but no.

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I do agree with this bit

Asians and black people or eastern Europeans aren’t all angels. Nor are white people. There’s good and bad in everyone.

Of course if a UK citizen goes to Australia and breaks the law (in one case after 55 years) they get deported. The same is often not true here for immigrants. Even ones which are seriously harmful to UK e.g. Abu Qatada can live here for 20 years. It is partly due to papers like the Guardian why this is true.

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As I said on another thread, immigration makes sense when you need workers to support your State pension, the NHS and create a scarcity for housing (which you already own). Don't think a young McKenzie faced with the challenges that the young face today, particularly re. house prices, would be so welcoming. A destructive recession and market discovery is exactly what young people could do with, it aint going to happen with the boomer block vote.

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As I said on another thread, immigration makes sense when you need workers to support your State pension, the NHS and create a scarcity for housing (which you already own). Don't think a young McKenzie faced with the challenges that the young face today, particularly re. house prices, would be so welcoming. A destructive recession and market discovery is exactly what young people could do with, it aint going to happen with the boomer block vote.

Although we have 41,000 EU citizens here who have never worked and claim benefits

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/4.25

McKenzie is writing what the Guardian want him to write.

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Although we have 41,000 EU citizens here who have never worked and claim benefits

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/4.25

McKenzie is writing what the Guardian want him to write.

I guess at least they serve the purpose of dragging down wages and making houses more scarce from the point of view of an asset rich boomer consumer.

The urban elite have every reason to want immigration.

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" Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to live 8 and 10 up in a Clapham semi."

Great quote!

Its is good. Slight mod..

"Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses to live 8 and 10 up in a Clapham semi costing £500,000+"

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Net UK immigration is yet another ponzi.

Just how many foreign health workers a year does the NHS need? According to the NHS's own figures their work force hasn't really increased in the last five years. Is it even moral to take another nations health works, let alone from Southern Asia/Africa.

Are we expecting all migrants just to work till they drop? The truth is the most are young and likely to start a family which will restrict how much tax they pay. However they too will retire and draw pensions. We would need a ratio of hundreds to one existing pensioner to meet existing pension liabilities.

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Net UK immigration is yet another ponzi.

Just how many foreign health workers a year does the NHS need? According to the NHS's own figures their work force hasn't really increased in the last five years. Is it even moral to take another nations health works, let alone from Southern Asia/Africa.

Are we expecting all migrants just to work till they drop? The truth is the most are young and likely to start a family which will restrict how much tax they pay. However they too will retire and draw pensions. We would need a ratio of hundreds to one existing pensioner to meet existing pension liabilities.

All ponzis rely on idiots to invest in them. When it comes to immigration there is no shortage of suckers around the world prepared to buy into the UK scheme.

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Apparently there are currently about 1.3 million NHS employees in England and there were about 1.4 million in 2010.

So in England it's grown by about zero in 5 years. In fact the numbers appear to have reduced.

Net migration has averaged about 200,000 in the past 5 years so a total of about 1 million. Immigration in total has been averaging about 550,000 a year so a total of nearly 3 million. Assuming the official statistics are correct which is in itself a bit of an assumption.

The vast majority of the 3 million must be finding work outside of the NHS.

Any claim that the UK needs such high immigration numbers for the NHS would be completely untrue.




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www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/Pages/overview.aspx

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12819538

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www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service


http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/203468-migration-statistics-feb-2015/

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Apparently there are currently about 1.3 million NHS employees in England and there were about 1.4 million in 2010.

So in England it's grown by about zero in 5 years. In fact the numbers appear to have reduced.

Net migration has averaged about 200,000 in the past 5 years so a total of about 1 million. Immigration in total has been averaging about 550,000 a year so a total of nearly 3 million. Assuming the official statistics are correct which is in itself a bit of an assumption.

The vast majority of the 3 million must be finding work outside of the NHS.

Any claim that the UK needs such high immigration numbers for the NHS would be completely untrue.

That was my exact conclusion.

The reason that supporters of the "Population Ponzi" cite the NHS is because most people are ignorant and stop questioning migration when its claimed that the NHS would shut without it.

Its a modern version of the "The Wilsonism", where previously any conversation concerning migration was labelled as rascist and stopped.

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That was my exact conclusion.

The reason that supporters of the "Population Ponzi" cite the NHS is because most people are ignorant and stop questioning migration when its claimed that the NHS would shut without it.

Its a modern version of the "The Wilsonism", where previously any conversation concerning migration was labelled as rascist and stopped.

Was talking with a group of employers recently (4 bar-owners and 1 construction company) and they all reacted in horror to the idea that they should be limited to the indigenous work-force. Part reverse-racism part economic reality - quite a funny conversation to be fair. Once cited Obamas 'Executive Immigration Order" to legalise however millions of illegal immigrants.

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All ponzis rely on idiots to invest in them. When it comes to immigration there is no shortage of suckers around the world prepared to buy into the UK scheme.

They are not suckers. Compared to many places and situations, moving to the UK is a very valid reason for them, and I have great respect for them trying to do the best for their kith and kin.

We, however, are ******ed because we have forgotten how to do exactly that.

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