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pray tell, what is an "air pocket".

Poor reporting BS yet again.

first thoughts are a decompression at altitude followed by emergency descent to an altitude with air with life supporting properties...then something else went wrong.

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pray tell, what is an "air pocket".

Poor reporting BS yet again.

first thoughts are a decompression at altitude followed by emergency descent to an altitude with air with life supporting properties...then something else went wrong.

A mountain jumped out in front of it?

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Weirdly no mention of "terrorism" either as a suspicion or something they have ruled out. Maybe that particular dog whistle has finally had its day.

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The aircraft sent out a distress communication prior to the presumed crash, so possibly the authorities already know the reasons (i.e. the pilot reported what had happened).

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The aircraft sent out a distress communication prior to the presumed crash, so possibly the authorities already know the reasons (i.e. the pilot reported what had happened).

They always gave us our opinion on whether it meant this was or wasn't terrorism related. A bit like how some murderer's house cost 300,000 in the daily mail.

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This one is bizarre. If you have an event that requires a descent like that from the coast, the last thing you'd do is continue into the Alps, especially as Marseilles is about 5 minutes to port where they coasted in.

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first thoughts are a decompression at altitude followed by emergency descent to an altitude with air with life supporting properties...then something else went wrong.

There have been a few cases where explosive decompression caused damage to the aircraft's control systems and surfaces, Japan Airlines 123 and Turkish Airlines 981 are probably the most obvious examples. The fact that the incident started within a minute of reaching cruising altitude might indicate something of this nature, although possibly not.

There have been a couple more where the plane disintergrated in mid air as a probable result of explosive decompression (China 611) although this doesn't seem to be the case here.

All we really know at the moment is that there was a sudden unexplained loss of control.

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Apparently the media is now saying that no mayday/distress call was sent. So presumably the pilot had no time/capacity to use the radio, despite the 8 minute descent time??

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This one is bizarre. If you have an event that requires a descent like that from the coast, the last thing you'd do is continue into the Alps, especially as Marseilles is about 5 minutes to port where they coasted in.

I think this descent can be called "falling out of the sky".

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Apparently the media is now saying that no mayday/distress call was sent. So presumably the pilot had no time/capacity to use the radio, despite the 8 minute descent time??

More on this -

Why did pilots fail to send an SOS? Mystery of final moments of doomed Germanwings flight as air traffic controllers reveal they received no Mayday despite it taking eight minutes to fall 32,000ft

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009151/headlines-news-Germanwings-plane-crash-french-alps-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette-Barcelona-Dusseldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

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Apparently the media is now saying that no mayday/distress call was sent. So presumably the pilot had no time/capacity to use the radio, despite the 8 minute descent time??

Presumably the crew were more interested in stopping the plane falling out of the sky rather than keeping ATC informed of their situation.

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13.12 Gerard Monchablon, an Air France pilot, is speaking live on BFM TV now. He says the conditions were perfect. He was flying at the same time.

quotes_1817837a.gif It was a beautiful day, very sunny. The mountain is very steep, and there are no people living there - I can confirm that.

It was the only aircraft near me. Then two mirages [military planes] arrived. So I contacted Barcolenette to see if there was noise, but it didn't fall in an inhabited area.

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Presumably the crew were more interested in stopping the plane falling out of the sky rather than keeping ATC informed of their situation.

They are trained to do more than one thing at once (and if they can't they shouldn't be flying). Just like a fighter pilot, they should be more than capable of dealing with any emergency and, at the same time, calmly radioing in to 'base' to give a sit rep.

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They are trained to do more than one thing at once (and if they can't they shouldn't be flying). Just like a fighter pilot, they should be more than capable of dealing with any emergency and, at the same time, calmly radioing in to 'base' to give a sit rep.

The priorities for any pilot are "aviate, navigate and communicate" in that order.

Dealing with an in-flight incident involves both pilots working together in a logical and methodical manner to try to solve the problem; wasting time keeping ATC informed isn't a priority unless you have the plane under some kind of control and are making an emergency landing. Quite frankly the pilots either get the plane under control or they don't, if it's the latter there's f*** all ATC can do anyway.

Maybe procedures are different for military jets, but those are single pilot affairs, and if it all goes wrong you can always pull the ejection handle.

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"Witnesses have described hearing an explosion 'like the sound of dynamite' then seeing fighter jets fly past, suggesting the passenger plane had been under military escort."

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'Not terrorism'

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15:28

The White House says US officials have been in touch with French, German and Spanish officials to offer assistance. In a statement, US National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says there is no indication the crash was the result of terrorism.

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'One eyewitness in the village of Le Vernet, where some wreckage has been sighted, told Le Parisien newspaper: 'This morning I heard a massive thud and soon after saw several jets fly over."

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'Not terrorism'

Posted at

15:28

The White House says US officials have been in touch with French, German and Spanish officials to offer assistance. In a statement, US National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says there is no indication the crash was the result of terrorism.

A rather hasty conclusion. What do they know? Especially if the pilots reported nothing?

If there was a rapid decompression the pilots may have had little time to radio any message.

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A rather hasty conclusion. What do they know? Especially if the pilots reported nothing?

If there was a rapid decompression the pilots may have had little time to radio any message.

I get a feeling that misleading or contradictory information is the new terrorism.

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