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Cheapskates.

Normally they'll pay someone to take the exam or just bribe the examiner to enter a pass.

Why anyone still thinks outsourcing any business to a country as courrupt as India will ever work is beyond me.

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It seems that passing exams in India is pretty easy, just get your parents to climb up and hand you the answers:

Aeons ago (well, in the 70s) I had an Indian colleague in Oman, who told me quite openly that she had paid someone else to write her dissertation. i was naively shocked.

Roll on to roughly the mid 90s, UK, and daughter of 17 was asking whether she could withdraw £200 ish from her Post Office Savings (could not do it without our sanction) so that rather older boyfriend could pay for the law degree dissertation he hadn't got around to. The person offering it was an academic at a London poly that is now a university. Otherwise he was going to fail his degree.

As the deadline drew nearer her price went up to IIRC well over £500 - and his parents paid. Might just add that many years later the long-ex (thank heaven) was both struck off and banged up for dodgy practices.

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I have had colleagues offered bribes by students from the subcontinent, and indeed may have been myself (long story)

We and most British universities now have an induction course for overseas students explaining to them what plagiarism is and why it is wrong..

Funniest attempt at impersonation i saw was a boyfriend who attempted to sit his girlfriends exam in the disguise of a twenty something male.

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I have had colleagues offered bribes by students from the subcontinent, and indeed may have been myself (long story)

We and most British universities now have an induction course for overseas students explaining to them what plagiarism is and why it is wrong..

Funniest attempt at impersonation i saw was a boyfriend who attempted to sit his girlfriends exam in the disguise of a twenty something male.

Well if bribery is acceptable in their home country why would they think it would be any different here?

So if you study for a foreign degree plagiarism is acceptable?

Has any of the academics on here marked a paper that's been produced by one of the sites that sell online papers?

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Not just India.

I remember thinking this was so funny that I had to bookmark it.

By late afternoon, the invigilators were trapped in a set of school offices, as groups of students pelted the windows with rocks. Outside, an angry mob of more than 2,000 people had gathered to vent its rage, smashing cars and chanting: "We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

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I have had colleagues offered bribes by students from the subcontinent, and indeed may have been myself (long story)

We and most British universities now have an induction course for overseas students explaining to them what plagiarism is and why it is wrong..

Funniest attempt at impersonation i saw was a boyfriend who attempted to sit his girlfriends exam in the disguise of a twenty something male.

Oh dear!

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If you have an Indian-educated Doctor you might want to think about this video the next time you have to see him.

It does seem strange.

As i've said before, we have protectionist policies against our own companies by forcing all manner of regulations on them we do not force on Chinese or other foreign companies...regulation of production, but not consumer...they can trade here freely.

Similarly, we discriminate against our own when it comes to things like nursing. We insist if they are British they have 5-7 years of university including a year or two working in a hospital environment, all the while employing nurses from nigeria and the like where the time taken to qualify is a lot less.

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I've marked a few papers over the years and some of the given answers were above me.

I have a Bs (Bath) but I tend only to use my MA when applying for work. I leave the(OXo) off my MA so as not to scare employers off

More detailed info can be found at the official gov site-

https://www.gov.uk/what-different-qualification-levels-mean/overview

which imo is next to useless ...

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Similarly, we discriminate against our own when it comes to things like nursing. We insist if they are British they have 5-7 years of university including a year or two working in a hospital environment, all the while employing nurses from nigeria and the like where the time taken to qualify is a lot less.

That might be why 'our' nurses seem better and more caring. Ooops, did I say that out loud?

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I have had colleagues offered bribes by students from the subcontinent, and indeed may have been myself (long story)

We and most British universities now have an induction course for overseas students explaining to them what plagiarism is and why it is wrong..

Funniest attempt at impersonation i saw was a boyfriend who attempted to sit his girlfriends exam in the disguise of a twenty something male.

Seems like western imperialism for us to force our culture onto theirs.

All cultures are equal.

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If you have an Indian-educated Doctor you might want to think about this video the next time you have to see him.

Ever since I supervised a chem. eng. student who had been a 2nd year med student in Iraq but had to quit when the war started I've been terrified of foreign doctors.

Without a doubt one of the thickest people I've ever met. Thankfully she couldn't pick up her medical studies in the UK.

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Well if bribery is acceptable in their home country why would they think it would be any different here?

So if you study for a foreign degree plagiarism is acceptable?

Has any of the academics on here marked a paper that's been produced by one of the sites that sell online papers?

We have software that is supposed to spot plagiarism from on line sources and also compares uploaded reports to those at other uk universities in case they are sharing with their mates. It's not terribly reliable, ironically the ones it catches are those that try to avoid detection by using bitmaps instead of text. The software reports zero matches and that is actually suspicious.

I was once phoned by a young woman who claimed she had been forced to write her relatives dissertation and that he had physically threatened her young children to make her do it. She described him as very "cultural". He was from that part of the world she was clearly born in the UK by he West Yorkshire accent. What happened? Nothing, this country has big problems brewing.

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I used to teach English in Oman, and once when I was invigilating an exam of one of my own (adult) classes, one of them was blatantly peering across at someone else's work, and the other was blatantly letting him do it. The first was something of a VIP since he was employed at a high level at one of the other Gulf State embassies. It was a delicate situation and quite new to me - I tried an 'ahem!' and a very stern look, but they were water off a duck's back - they were neither embarrassed nor about to be shamed out of it.

Luckily a much more experienced male teacher was due to take over - I told him what was going on and he said, 'I'll sort them out.' Which he did merely by standing between the two desks until the exam was over. I don't think I'd ever have thought of that, but he was an old hand.

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That might be why 'our' nurses seem better and more caring. Ooops, did I say that out loud?

Its an outrage we even have to make such considerations. It seems pretty obvious lower standards will mean lower outcomes...but when those lower standards happen to be over-represented in certain demographics, the establishment waste no time in transforming a completely valid observation in 'thats racist'

If people don't get over the fear of being called 'racist' soon, we can kiss goodbye to any kind of level of acceptable standards.

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Agreed. I was sort of hinting at that but thanks for spelling it out. :) Be assured I'm not known for holding back when confronted with BS and PCness.

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If you have an Indian-educated Doctor you might want to think about this video the next time you have to see him.

Why do you think that uk qualifications are so prized, one of my Indian tutees told me last week that he would never eat in an Indian restaurant in this county, why? word for word " I know my people and I don't trust them"

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You can take the boy out of the sub-continent

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32005848

Yes, I know, looking at the name, he's probably 'pakistani heritage. Same stuff apply, only more so.

Did you see Sunday politics ?

Ahh... the link has been updated

EDIT : they have left out the bit about the money being offered as in the EDL and Robinson would be well looked after financially

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Why do you think that uk qualifications are so prized, one of my Indian tutees told me last week that he would never eat in an Indian restaurant in this county, why? word for word " I know my people and I don't trust them"

Well lucky for us that most "Indian" restaurants are staffed by people for Bangladesh

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I always thought it very odd, even back in the days when I was pretty relaxed about immigration, that we had spent the past 500+ years developing a system of universities, education, and examinations that we could have faith in, and yet people were allowed to waltz into nice jobs with foreign bits of paper that nobody had the slightest idea of what they were worth, and nobody was allowed toquestion.

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We have software that is supposed to spot plagiarism from on line sources and also compares uploaded reports to those at other uk universities in case they are sharing with their mates. It's not terribly reliable, ironically the ones it catches are those that try to avoid detection by using bitmaps instead of text. The software reports zero matches and that is actually suspicious.

I was once phoned by a young woman who claimed she had been forced to write her relatives dissertation and that he had physically threatened her young children to make her do it. She described him as very "cultural". He was from that part of the world she was clearly born in the UK by he West Yorkshire accent. What happened? Nothing, this country has big problems brewing.

As the product has been fully commercialised it's not surprising Universities are willing to turn a blind eye too it, losing foreign fees because you are expected to meet the standard seems foolish.

Do any of them expect good grades as well, ie they expect to be given a distinction at MA level even though the work is barely a pass?

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As the product has been fully commercialised it's not surprising Universities are willing to turn a blind eye too it, losing foreign fees because you are expected to meet the standard seems foolish.

Do any of them expect good grades as well, ie they expect to be given a distinction at MA level even though the work is barely a pass?

Mostly they accept their grades but want endless feedback. Occasionally students try it one, they can be very underhand in their arguments. My experience at the moment (in a Russell group university) standards are being mostly maintained.

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