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Ive not watched Bitter Lake yet, but did see the trailer.

Having watched the budget yesterday, it really seems we are on a path to great uncertainty in the next 10-20 years.

Drugs and whores in the GDP, pensions free for all, under the guise of people know what to do with their money.

I translate that as "You are on your own from 2020. Deal with it"

This constant "growth" mantra every where you look. Debt at unrepayable levels.

The people cooking up this drivel are at best incompetent, at worse well who knows. And the opposition? Forget it.

We are led by the very worst of us.

Serious question: Is there a ****** off great asteroid approaching, that we dont know about?

Because thats how it seems to me.

Let's off grid!

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I translate that as "You are on your own from 2020. Deal with it"

If only.

Worst case, we will face more state control. More taxation. A new pension crisis when pensions have spanked all their money to make the tories GDPs look good and the bankers look solvent.

Then, when it all goes belly up, conscription.

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Think I'd prefer a bit of direct State control. The State manipulation of markets to enrich the 'usual suspects' is disastrous.

Thinking State directed capitalism, rather than a crony directed State

Just look at the Help To Buy ISA nonsense. Utterly insane

Then all the weird stuff with regard to Forex yesterday with the FOMC, currency spikes and so on.

I need releasing from the Matrix!

Edited by RentierParadisio

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This 'chaos' is replicated on a global scale as well. The world is moving away from the dollar/US hegemony, to a multi-polar situation. Everyone will be doing their own thing - see China SWIFT alternative, the BRICS bank, the Asian development bank etc etc.

I see the UN failing at some point as well, as really it is just a waste of space and totally incapable of dealing with the modern world.

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Ive not watched Bitter Lake yet, but did see the trailer.

Having watched the budget yesterday, it really seems we are on a path to great uncertainty in the next 10-20 years.

Drugs and whores in the GDP, pensions free for all, under the guise of people know what to do with their money.

I translate that as "You are on your own from 2020. Deal with it"

This constant "growth" mantra every where you look. Debt at unrepayable levels.

The people cooking up this drivel are at best incompetent, at worse well who knows. And the opposition? Forget it.

We are led by the very worst of us.

Serious question: Is there a ****** off great asteroid approaching, that we dont know about?

Because thats how it seems to me.

Let's off grid!

Interesting film - some way in you realise they've turned a political documentary into a visually mesmerising odyssey.

Also good to be reminded that politics didn't start with the 'Winter of Discontent' (if you're right wing) or Thatcher ( if you're left wing).

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Chaos comes from the breakdown of trust..........smaller close knit trusting communities do better.....people tend not to shit on their own doorsteps. ;)

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Ive not watched Bitter Lake yet, but did see the trailer.

Having watched the budget yesterday, it really seems we are on a path to great uncertainty in the next 10-20 years.

Drugs and whores in the GDP, pensions free for all, under the guise of people know what to do with their money.

I translate that as "You are on your own from 2020. Deal with it"

This constant "growth" mantra every where you look. Debt at unrepayable levels.

The people cooking up this drivel are at best incompetent, at worse well who knows. And the opposition? Forget it.

We are led by the very worst of us.

Serious question: Is there a ****** off great asteroid approaching, that we dont know about?

Because thats how it seems to me.

Let's off grid!

Florida have recently made off grid living illegal! You can't escape the powers that be.

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I think its just a psychological thing...a groupthink attitude has established itself, and the (yes, admittedly chaotic) direction of travel is like a runaway train. They cant steer it back on the rails...too many vested interested are financially glued to its present track.

Take multiculturalism...most, even on the left, know its been an abject failure...they didnt bargain for the growth of Islamic fundamentalism for one, but that nice muslim next door seems decent enough, so I cant possibly talk about the threat of Islam because it makes me feel uncomfortable and embarrassed...what if I was to be called an islamophobe. How awful would that be.

Take banking, we all know it is abusive, illegal in any other arena, and demonstrably, and indeed, mathematically unsustainable in its current form. But those guys with letters after their name like Krugman say abandoning it would cause the skies to fall, we'll go back to victorian times and besides, his scaremongering makes him a better bullshitter than my facts. I couldnt face him out-debating me, even if history has proven him incorrect.

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Banks have a place.....but what is stopping anyone lending someone they trust money at a rate that sees their money doesn't depreciate over the term of the loan? ;)

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Is war good for bankers ?

If its coincides with their timing it is.

As far as the changes we have all experienced are concerned...the system relies on constant growth. We expand or die. This nonsense about conservation is just an excuse to tax more. TPTB will pour more and more cash from more and more strategic sources into the economy until we have the CTR-ALT DEL moment ala 1914 - 1945. They think they will survive it in an even more dominant position...which is probably true.

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I think its just a psychological thing...a groupthink attitude has established itself, and the (yes, admittedly chaotic) direction of travel is like a runaway train. They cant steer it back on the rails...too many vested interested are financially glued to its present track.

You can probably add the following to the groupthink list:

-the war on drugs

-privatisation

-progressive taxation

There doesn't seem to be a fag paper gap between any of the political class on these

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I think its just a psychological thing...a groupthink attitude has established itself, and the (yes, admittedly chaotic) direction of travel is like a runaway train. They cant steer it back on the rails...too many vested interested are financially glued to its present track.

Take multiculturalism...most, even on the left, know its been an abject failure...they didnt bargain for the growth of Islamic fundamentalism for one, but that nice muslim next door seems decent enough, so I cant possibly talk about the threat of Islam because it makes me feel uncomfortable and embarrassed...what if I was to be called an islamophobe. How awful would that be.

Take banking, we all know it is abusive, illegal in any other arena, and demonstrably, and indeed, mathematically unsustainable in its current form. But those guys with letters after their name like Krugman say abandoning it would cause the skies to fall, we'll go back to victorian times and besides, his scaremongering makes him a better bullshitter than my facts. I couldnt face him out-debating me, even if history has proven him incorrect.

Krugman was comprehensively bested in his exchanges with Steve Keen.

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Steve Keen is my favourite economist but I've never seen him debate with Krugman. When was that? I'm off to check youtube!

Krugman would not debate Keen face to face- I think this exchange was fought out via blog posts

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it really seems we are on a path to great uncertainty in the next 10-20 years.

The next 10-20 years always has and always will be a "path to great uncertainty". Today is no different to any other day.

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The next 10-20 years always has and always will be a "path to great uncertainty". Today is no different to any other day.

Ya dankety, i get that, but its by degign now, would be my point here.

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good point.

I think actually we would all like a bit more "your on your own,deal with it", and a bit less "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Ronnie Reagan did coin the latter as the nine most terrifying words in the english language.

they aint helping,quite the opposite., so they should try to stop "helping"

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good point.

I think actually we would all like a bit more "your on your own,deal with it", and a bit less "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

I'd say it's more like we have a hybrid where the government pumps up house prices by printing money, pumps up rents through housing benefit, makes it illegal to buy a bit of land and build a house on it, takes half your wages off you through taxation and then tells you "you're on your own, deal with it".

I'd be happy to stand on my own two feet, unfortunately the government keeps kneecapping me with a crowbar it bought with my money.

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