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This could destroy the pensions and insurance firms. No chance, unless the deal is good for them.

This would be my guess but the cynical side of me thinks this would be a way for TPTB to gain easy access to that pot of money when it comes to care home fees,

an ageing population cost a lot of money to look after, if that money is locked into a pension it`s out of bounds for the government

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It's easy to get a BTL mortgage in retirement, as the assessment is based on the rental income, not your salary or pension

There's that assumption again that there's infinite demand and money to pay rent.

There's not. Round me, its the number of multi-month voids are noticable.

To take money out of a house you need to sell it - my preferred way.

Or borrow money against the assumed equity - the banks preferred way.

Going wit option means you have to meet the repayments.

No easy on a pension - or esp. on DC pension at the moment.

Any rent shortfall will build up, so will any voids.

All piling up, all compounding interest.

Then the OOO falls in price , breaching.

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I don't see how

Me neither.

Most life companies have been killed already by their own greed + stupidity.

If you shop around around, annuities offer an OK, risk free income.

The fact the pay outs are low is down to the price of gilts and the risk-fee nature of the product.

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I don't see how

http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news-and-analysis/pensions/budget-2014-insurers-shares-tumble-on-budget-annuity-announcement/2008144.article

The Chancellor’s announcement that from next year pension savers will no longer have to buy an annuity to take money out of their pensions has rocked the share price of the UK leading annuity providers.

Only an hour after George Osborne finished delivering his speech, specialist retirement income provider Just Retirement Group fell by 30 per cent.

The biggest initial drop from the big traditional annuity providers is Legal and General, whose share price has fallen by 11 per cent. Standard Life’s share price had fallen by 3.7 per cent, Aviva’s share price had fallen by 7.4 per cent, and Prudential had fallen by 2.6 per cent. Shares in Friends Life parent Resultion Limited fell by 7.3 per cent.

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This would be my guess but the cynical side of me thinks this would be a way for TPTB to gain easy access to that pot of money when it comes to care home fees,

an ageing population cost a lot of money to look after, if that money is locked into a pension it`s out of bounds for the government

Yes, it could impact many forms of means testing.

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But so what? Doesn't make housing less overpriced or improve the fundamentals

It gives a whole bunch of currently priced out youngsters the funds to go and boost demand.

I really need prices to come down here soon, and I could do without another mini boom off the back of BOGAG (Bank Of Gran And Grandad - coined here first)

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It gives a whole bunch of currently priced out youngsters the funds to go and boost demand.

I really need prices to come down here soon, and I could do without another mini boom off the back of BOGAG (Bank Of Gran And Grandad - coined here first)

OK, agreed, fair enough

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That's answering a different question

Annuity providers have already taken the fees for existing annuities. Please explain how redeeming existing annuities will negatively affect the providers.

Yes, but surely cancelling an annuity would involve the insurer having to pay back the principal (less some discount). The devil is in the size of the discount/redemption fee/whatever. No?

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Yes, but surely cancelling an annuity would involve the insurer having to pay back the principal (less some discount). The devil is in the size of the discount/redemption fee/whatever. No?

Yes

I suspect they will profit from it

And then chase a different market

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Surely we are not talking scrapping an annuity, that's not possible.

A third party fund buying up policies which cease to be paid out on death. Bundling to even out longevity risk.

As the fund is hopeful for a long life, no bumping off risks.

Tontines (the opposite of that) were made illegal because the fund's members had the opposite incentive, bumping each other off.

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Seems you are right Crashmonitor. I thought we were talking about annulment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11468752/New-pension-rules-to-let-retired-savers-cash-in-annuities.html

A second-hand annuity market would allow retired savers to sell their lifetime contracts to the highest-bidding insurance companies, which would offer cash.

Pensioners may prefer a lump sum to a guaranteed income if it enables them to make home improvements, pay off a mortgage or give an early inheritance. Others might want to swap their annuity for a more suitable policy, such as a deal that provides income to their spouse when they die or takes into account medical conditions.

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Express are going with

Inheritance tax cut. Either raising threshold to £1m or excludign family home from inheritance tax. If not in the budget (libdem opposition) then it will be in the Shapps/Stockheath Party manfesto.

So a permanent wealth transfer from poorer north to richer south

(I refuse to link to the express - youll have to do it yourself)

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Express are going with

Inheritance tax cut. Either raising threshold to £1m or excludign family home from inheritance tax. If not in the budget (libdem opposition) then it will be in the Shapps/Stockheath Party manfesto.

So a permanent wealth transfer from poorer north to richer south

(I refuse to link to the express - youll have to do it yourself)

I fear nothing...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/564055/Inheritance-tax-cut-George-Osborne-Budget-plans-reform-death-duty

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