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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/29/surge-in-voters-born-overseas

Two seats may for first time be decided by migrants, who make up majority of voters, with parties warned not to ignore this electorate

Two seats – East Ham and Brent North – are predicted to be the first constituencies with a majority of the eligible electorate born abroad. In a further 25 seats they will constitute more than a third of the electorate and at least a quarter in another 50 seats.

Two seats – East Ham and Brent North – are predicted to be the first constituencies with a majority of the eligible electorate born abroad. In a further 25 seats they will constitute more than a third of the electorate and at least a quarter in another 50 seats.

Edited by SarahBell

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What are the voting rights of immigrants? i.e. after immigrating, at what point are you allowed to vote?

Migrants from the Commonwealth have voting rights in the UK. EU migrants can vote in local and EU elections.

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Commonwealth is
ountries by region

Africa
Botswana
Cameroon
Ghana
Kenya
Lesotho
Malawi
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nigeria
Rwanda
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
South Africa
Swaziland
Uganda
United Republic of Tanzania
Zambia
Asia
Bangladesh
Brunei Darussalam
India
Malaysia
Maldives
Pakistan
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Caribbean and Americas
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas, The
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Dominica
Grenada
Guyana
Jamaica
Saint Lucia
St Kitts and Nevis
St Vincent and The Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Europe
Cyprus
Malta
United Kingdom
Pacific
Australia
Fiji
Kiribati
Nauru
New Zealand
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Solomon Islands
Tonga
Tuvalu
Vanuatu
- See more at: http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries#sthash.UcGCnARL.dpuf

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Just shows what a messed up country Britain is.

Yet I have met people who are proud that so many want to come and live in the UK.

Schools should teach the Law of unintended consequences.

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The other side of this coin is.

British people in their own country have little influence on who will govern them.

Well, we invaded their countries and governed them once. Fair's fair!

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I do.

I did not invade them.

May as well start complaining about Romans, Normans, Vikings etc.

I cannot accept responsibility for the misdeeds of generations long past. The 20th Century saw a return of the conquered lands to their people.

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The sort of seats this applies to now would elect a donkey with a Labour rosette on it - the ethnicity/demographics won't change a thing in Newham or south Brent.

Odd rules though - Irish and Commonwealth citizens can vote here but bar the Irish have no automatic right to live here whereas EU citizens can live here without question but cannot vote in general elections - but can in Local and EU ones?

Edited by MARTINX9

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This article is disingenous!

We have quite strict rules on who can vote in General Elections, and most of the recent immigration has been EU immigration - these folks won't get to vote.

Commonwealthers and the Irish have long had a vote in UK General Elections, due to the way that citizenship matured post-Empire. However, we don't generally have free movement of people within the Commonwealth, so any such voter here has been cleared through controlled immigration (and therefore should be welcome!).

Lastly, all naturalised (5 years or more) British Citizens, are, duh, *British Citizens* and obviously completely entitled to vote! They've shown their commitment to this country, and passed our bizarre citizenship test, and there is no way they should be included in this article as a "surge", or frankly, tarred with any other brush. What an appalling way to treat people who we have legally accepted as our own!

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Well, we invaded their countries and governed them once. Fair's fair!

We never invaded Mozambique - it was a Portuguese colony. A lot of these places got their independence 60+ years ago - when do they lose the right to vote here.

Edited by iamnumerate

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Lastly, all naturalised (5 years or more) British Citizens, are, duh, *British Citizens* and obviously completely entitled to vote! They've shown their commitment to this country,

My wife is a naturalised British citizen. I told her that many British people think that foreigners want to become British citizens because they are commited to this country - and she laughed. Do you really think people become British citizens because of "commitment to the UK"?

I.e. they wouldn't live somewhere else if it was better for them?

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The other side of this coin is.

British people in their own country have little influence on who will govern them.

..yes..the West Lothian question dilutes it further....the only way to secure the future of the country is to ensure Milliband does not get in... and fix the constitution which labour destroyed with their half baked devolution which will be quarter baked with devo max added......the only problem is the Tories have been so thick on this issue....time for them to unstick their fingers....to put it politely .... :rolleyes:

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Maybe it didn't matter that much when the choice was the Lib the Lab or the Con - you still ended up with the same policies no matter the vote. Then there's the loss of sovereignty to the EU

Same policy is a risk with UKIP as well of course except for their policies like the eu referendum and the direct democracy.

That's for the short/medium term but the longer term implications are something else.

Edited by billybong

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My wife is a naturalised British citizen. I told her that many British people think that foreigners want to become British citizens because they are commited to this country - and she laughed. Do you really think people become British citizens because of "commitment to the UK"?

I.e. they wouldn't live somewhere else if it was better for them?

Well, she is your wife, so in some senses she is committed to the nation!

Maybe that's why she laughed? ;)

Regardless of their individual reasons, they are British citizens, and foreigners no more. The article uses the phrase "foreign-born voter" to make their votes sound controversial, when in fact they are no more controversial than my own vote as a Hampshire-born corn-chewer.

[i could also argue that the Commonwealthers are not foreigners either, since we have a "Foreign and Commonwealth Office" for a reason... but I think I could then be accused fairly legitimately of splitting hairs!]

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Well, she is your wife, so in some senses she is committed to the nation!

Maybe that's why she laughed? ;)

Regardless of their individual reasons, they are British citizens, and foreigners no more. The article uses the phrase "foreign-born voter" to make their votes sound controversial, when in fact they are no more controversial than my own vote as a Hampshire-born corn-chewer.

[i could also argue that the Commonwealthers are not foreigners either, since we have a "Foreign and Commonwealth Office" for a reason... but I think I could then be accused fairly legitimately of splitting hairs!

So you do think that foreigners ask for British passports out of love for the UK? Not so that they go to the EU etc without a visa or so they can bring relatives here? Or just because it makes their life easier (my wife's reason to be honest if her country could give me a job she would have us move there tomorrow but they can't for complicated reasons).

Of course all of these are valid reasons for a UK passport but to believe that it is for a love of the UK is very innocent.

I don't think however that it unreasonable to point out that people's whose first loyalty might not be to the UK could swing an election.

Edited by iamnumerate

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