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Theresa May:foreign Student Numbers Will Hit 600,000 In 2020S

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Telegraph 5/1/15

'The Home Secretary has warned that 600,000 foreign students will come to the UK by the 2020s.

Theresa May disclosed the figure as she defended plans to expel non-EU graduates at the end of their courses.

A rise to 600,000 foreign students would be a huge surge in attendance at British universities. The number of overseas entrants, who can be charged up to three times the £9,000 paid by British students, fell for two years, although visa applications rose again last September.

International and EU student numbers fell from 311,800 in 2011-12 to 307,205 in 2012-13, according to the Higher Education Funding Council for England.

The Business Secretary Vince Cable has warned that the public debate about immigration was in danger of damaging the "economically valuable" recruitment of overseas students to the UK.

The inventor and entrepreneur Sir James Dyson warned that Mrs May's policy is a short-term vote winner, which would harm the country’s economy.

“Give them our knowledge, allow them to develop their own, and permit them to apply it here on our shores. Their ideas and inventiveness will create technology to export around the world,” he wrote in an article.

Sir James warned of “dire consequences for businesses” including his own Wiltshire-based Dyson empire, which relies on engineers and scientists from overseas.

Mrs May, who is seen as a potential Conservative leader, said that the government had been “very clear in all the changes”.

“We have no limit on the number of people who are coming here genuinely to study at a proper educational establishment and I'm pleased to say that visa applications from university students rose by 2% in the year ending September 2014, with an increase of 4% for the Russell Group universities,” she told the House of Commons.

"We also need to recognise that the latest survey showed that in one year 121,000 students came in from overseas and only 50,000 left in that year and figures suggest that in the 2020s we will see 600,000 overseas students each year in this country."'

It increasingly looks like Uni's are relying on the overseas students to prop the ponzi up.Good for BTLers/banks too.

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The UK is a business......they are only trying to sell their wares to the highest bidder.

Quite.I'm intrigued as to when foreign students will stop coming because they're investing in depreciating specie.Quite how you can make a £40,000 per annum degree(incl. living costs) stack up when wages back in China are $8,500.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=10Y#

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Quite.I'm intrigued as to when foreign students will stop coming because they're investing in depreciating specie.Quite how you can make a £40,000 per annum degree(incl. living costs) stack up when wages back in China are $8,500.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=10Y#

From what I'm told about the Russian students in London, most won't actually need to work as daddy has plundered enough ex-Commie assets to be loaded.

It's more a continuation of the super rich sending their kids to what they perceive as the best schools possible, not the kids themselves getting into debt with a view to them finding work.

There will obviously be some real doctors and such in there, but there will also be a lot of multi-millionaire music and drama students.

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Quite.I'm intrigued as to when foreign students will stop coming because they're investing in depreciating specie.Quite how you can make a £40,000 per annum degree(incl. living costs) stack up when wages back in China are $8,500.

Maybe so they can make the right contacts and secure a job in the UK?

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Are there enough rich people to make these figures realistic? 600,000 seems a very big number and can the Universities cope with that or are they expecting a steep decline in UK students prepared to take on the debt?

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The inventor and entrepreneur Sir James Dyson warned that Mrs May's policy is a short-term vote winner, which would harm the country’s economy.

“Give them our knowledge, allow them to develop their own, and permit them to apply it here on our shores. Their ideas and inventiveness will create technology to export around the world,” he wrote in an article.

Sir James warned of “dire consequences for businesses” including his own Wiltshire-based Dyson empire, which relies on engineers and scientists from overseas.

It seems such a shame that one of the overseas students didn't invent his hoover first.

Edited by billybong

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Guess when this passage was written:

While [the rest] had been badly affected by financial cuts, the Foreign Students paid for themselves and Dr Mayfield, now Head of Academic Development, had created an empire of Arabs, Swedes, Germans, South Americans and even several Japanese who marched from one lecture room to another pursuing an understanding of the English language and, more impossibly, English Culture and Customs, a hodge-podge of lectures which came under the heading of Advanced English For Foreigners.

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Can we afford the bad debts when students don't pay their loans back?

Or shall we worry about that later?

Wouldn't worry about it....can't pay won't pay.....if they can pay the tax they should be grateful that they earn enough to pay it. ;)

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1982?

Earlier.

And contains a bunch of similar stuff ("these foreign students are the only reason a lot of lecturers don't lose their jobs").

It's from Tom Sharpe's second Wilt book, which was published in 1979. The first was published in 1976, so I think with a fair degree of certainty it was written between those dates.

Could be today, but for the list of prevalent nationalities changing over time!

Edited by porca misèria

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I think the latter, https://www.hesa.ac.uk/

UK Total 2012/13
Totals
2,340,275
-6.3%
1,803,840
-6.4%
536,440
-5.6%

HESA figures for 203/14 due in Feb.Worth noting that there are 450,000 UK domiciled Graduates per annum(first degree,part + full time).

I dread to think how few graduate jobs there are.

Worth noting that it's at Post Grad level when there are fewer UK domiclied studetns than Non EU+EU.Especially compared back to the mid 90's,when there was a comparative trickle of foreign PHD students.

https://www.hesa.ac.uk/content/view/1973/239/

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Quite.I'm intrigued as to when foreign students will stop coming because they're investing in depreciating specie.Quite how you can make a £40,000 per annum degree(incl. living costs) stack up when wages back in China are $8,500.

£40,000 is cheap, if you get UK residency, and a good chance of a passport after a year or two. Who says the Chinese or Indians or Africans are ever going back to $8,500/year?

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£40,000 is cheap, if you get UK residency, and a good chance of a passport after a year or two. Who says the Chinese or Indians or Africans are ever going back to $8,500/year?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/10459957/Almost-half-of-university-leavers-take-non-graduate-jobs.html

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/19/half-recent-uk-graduates-stuck-jobs-ons

OK 2013 but both suggesting 50% of grads are worring non grad jobs.I'd suggest the figure is higher than that.

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£40,000 is cheap, if you get UK residency, and a good chance of a passport after a year or two. Who says the Chinese or Indians or Africans are ever going back to $8,500/year?

And most of those will get jobs that don't add anything.....University admin, public sector admin etc. Jobs that could be done by the unemployed.

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And most of those will get jobs that don't add anything.....University admin, public sector admin etc. Jobs that could be done by the unemployed.

Most jobs could be done to a high standard by anyone with a half decent IQ, good interpersonal skills and work ethic, with two weeks on-the-job training....I know because thousands already have been taught like that, they don't even have to pay for it, they are paid whilst training. ;)

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