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Unveiled - £15Billion Of New Roads: Biggest Expansion Since 1970S Will See 100 Schemes Covering 1,300 Miles And Holiday Blackspots Targeted

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855368/Unveiled-15billion-new-roads-Biggest-expansion-1970s-100-schemes-covering-1-300-miles-holiday-blackspots-targeted.html

The biggest road-building programme for almost half a century will be unveiled today.

Ministers will announce a £15billion masterplan to build or upgrade 1,300 miles of roads. The 100 separate schemes include:

  • An A303 tunnel to bypass Stonehenge and dual carriageway from London to Falmouth;
  • Making the A1 a dual carriageway almost all the way to the Scottish border;
  • First investment in routes across the Pennines since 1971;
  • Improvements to a third of junctions on London’s M25 orbital.

The move is an echo of the ‘roads for prosperity’ scheme unveiled by Margaret Thatcher in 1989 to boost ‘the great car economy.’ This promised the largest expansion of the roads network since the Romans although many of the schemes were quietly abandoned by her successors following environmental protests and spending cuts.

A Japanese road to no where a real economic boost improving transport links?

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Yay, easier to car travel to holiday blackspots which are in decline for multiple reasons, whilst saving against reflated-beyond-peak house prices - when I am now seeking to buy somewhere I can give up on car dependence.

"Stimulation" Will Not Stimulate

Efforts to "stimulate" growth are likely to prove more counter-productive than in the 1930s. They borrow from the future in a futile effort to sustain the past. Consider the reasons why:

1. The same kind of public works spending that was very productive in the last depression would be a waste today. Lots of new highways, for example, would not pay off as they did in the past. Improvement of highways had a dramatic effect beginning in the 1930s in increasing the number of autos in use and amplifying other activity that depended on autos, like building of suburbs and shopping centres. There will be much more modest effects today. The number of autos in use is not likely to go up no matter how many roads are built. Congestion can be much more efficiently handled by peak load pricing than by pouring more concrete.

2. [..]

Just repeat the wonderful Japanese earlier stages of throwing more debt/money at it.

Sept 24,2014. Bloomberg

[..] When I talk to Japanese government officials, academics and business leaders, they all seem to be in agreement -- Japan’s government will do whatever is necessary in order to fiscally consolidate and reduce its annual budget deficit. Since spending on wasteful infrastructure projects and the like has already been slashed, most spending increases are due to population aging, which is more severe in Japan than in any other country on the planet.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-24/japan-s-debt-trap

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15bn / 1300. So i make that just over £11m per mile. Seems a tad excessive.

there are an awful lot of people to pay for, man years of meetings, safety assessments and picture posing.

And yet official under the radar policy is to get people off the roads and onto green public transport.

Edited by Bloo Loo

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I guess at least these are all upgrades to existing, well used trunk roads.

However, I'd much rather us concentrate on, say, upgrading the existing rail infrastructure. Oh, wait, technically we don't have any.

Unfortunately as the M1 has shown you can make it as wide as you like, but while you have bad drivers everywhere you're still going to get congestion.

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From the radio travel news I can suggest that the way to solve congestion is to close the schools forever. when school is out there are almost no jams anywhere - to the point where during the last half term they read out a minor traffic jam on a local road near me - so desperate where they for something to say.

Tempting to wait til the holidays again and start finding silly road names for them to read out :)

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How about spending £15bn on social 'for rent only' housing instead?

Cretins! <_<

For once they are putting the £300 a year I pay in car tax into something that actually resembles the upkeep in the roads, rather than subsidising other services....The 303 is ruddy awful...

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How about spending £15bn on social 'for rent only' housing instead?

Cretins! <_<

Because they are not allowed to say social housing is for UK people only?

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We should be getting rid of cars and covering the country in railways. Cars are great for the occasional trip but if everyone is using them for the exact same commuter journeys and school runs every day it's far more efficient to have decent public transport instead.

Who wants to spend half their life in a traffic jam, anyway? At least on a train you can read a book, or work on a laptop or tablet.

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Who wants to spend half their life in a traffic jam, anyway? At least on a train you can read a book, or work on a laptop or tablet.

You will be able to in a car before too long

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We should be getting rid of cars and covering the country in railways. Cars are great for the occasional trip but if everyone is using them for the exact same commuter journeys and school runs every day it's far more efficient to have decent public transport instead.

Who wants to spend half their life in a traffic jam, anyway? At least on a train you can read a book, or work on a laptop or tablet.

I agree, as long as the price is right, affordable, comfortable and convenient transport for all.....let the train take the strain. ;)

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I agree, as long as the price is right, affordable, comfortable and convenient transport for all.....let the train take the strain. ;)

Fine for city routes, which have a high enough ridership for it to be self sustaining...but once you step out of town, and into the provinces, public transport often isn't economically viable...whether funds from the car tax should subsidise these routes is another thing..

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Fine for city routes, which have a high enough ridership for it to be self sustaining...but once you step out of town, and into the provinces, public transport often isn't economically viable...whether funds from the car tax should subsidise these routes is another thing..

Of course car manufacturers would be dead against it.....think of all the taxes and insurances that would be lost.......cars/freight create more consumption and revenue.

All depends how they want to play it.....choices. ;)

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Of course car manufacturers would be dead against it.....think of all the taxes and insurances that would be lost.......cars/freight create more consumption and revenue.

All depends how they want to play it.....choices. ;)

Trouble is that public transport is often unreliable, very expensive, and its not available when people want it..

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With nothing but empty space all around it, can anyone explain to me why they want to put a tunnel directly under Stonehenge? :wacko:

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Apparently the current road takes away the "beauty" of the stones...an old road that ran next to them was recently dug up and grassed over...I think it was one of the stipulations of the planning for the new visitors centre.

Edited by Dave Beans

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£15bn 'roads revolution' outlined_79413940_60c5f993-6ee3-4dbb-b7e9-e395b9

A tunnel passing Stonehenge is among dozens of new road schemes to be announced by the government, as part of £15bn of improvements to England's roads. 618

Apparently it will rebalance the economy.

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Trouble is that public transport is often unreliable, very expensive, and its not available when people want it..

It's also filthy as well, and involves lots of waiting around on cold station platforms. You also get exposed to the lovely masses in all their glory. Babies being sick. Drunks staggering around. People fighting. Some idiots mobile conversation at 4x volume. Some previous occupant putting chewing gum on the seat. Plus you end up paying a batch in taxi or bus fares at either end.

Cars are just better all round. The tiny amount of time you end up waiting in jams is nowhere near equal to the misery of taking the train.

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From the bbc link


Nick Clegg: Plans to build new roads will be important in "rebalancing the economy as a whole"

Mr Clegg as ever jumping on the bandwagon.

More like important in rebalancing the economy some time never.

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