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"Britain is backward, “no longer fit for purpose,” and characterized by stagnant politics and inefficient state institutions, Labour’s policy review chief Jon Cruddas warns.

In a speech to the Institute for Government, Cruddas said that a sluggish political pool characterized by tired policies risks rendering UK parties “past their sell-by date.”

The MP for Dagenham and Rainham will lead the party’s policy review as the countdown to the general election ensues. Throughout his address, he argued that average UK citizens feel abandoned by and divorced from government.

Cruddas suggested Labour had suffered serious damage from the acrimonious Blair and Brown administration’s policy blunders.

Warning that Britain is broken and lagging behind in a bygone era of Fordism, “mass production,” and “mass administration,” the Labour MP said the country is virtually defunct in an era dominated by digital innovation and cloud computing.

Alluding to a growing democratic deficit and prevailing lack of accountability across the state, he stressed that Britons are rapidly losing confidence in public institutions’ capacity to uphold the public interest.

Cruddas said that political tribes are “shrinking” and their memberships declining. Their “hierarchies and bureaucracies” are becoming ever more awkward, inefficient, and slow, he stressed.

During his speech, he added that political parties are no longer “vital intermediary institutions between people and the state.” In some parts of Britain, they have become “so disconnected from society they can no longer fulfil this role properly,” he said.

The pillars of Britain’s political sphere, be they political parties or state intuitions, are in danger of stifling“innovation, creativity, and initiative” in business, he concluded.

The Labour MP insisted that a new path of governance must be forged by harnessing advanced technology.

Drawing inspiration from former UK Prime Minister and Labour MP Harold Wilson's celebration of the spirit of the scientific revolution, Cruddas argued that a Labour government would use technology to radically redesign the British state – once again affirming Labour’s status as “the party of hope and modernity.”

“Renewing the UK will require a new model of state, democracy, and innovation,” he said.

“I just don't mean bolting this onto the existing one, I mean let's build an entirely new digital machinery of government alongside the existing state so that we can create an efficient system and transform the relationship between the citizen and the state.”

Thanks for stating the obvious Jon, at least you've woken up and realised the ponzi schemes can no longer be supported but don't think your party has the necessary credentials and personnel to change anything, what is suggested seems to have sinister Orwellian tones to it.

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Nul points if the policy solution to a generation or two of workers being unable to accumulate significant assets is "digital government".

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Thanks for stating the obvious Jon, at least you've woken up and realised the ponzi schemes can no longer be supported but don't think your party has the necessary credentials and personnel to change anything, what is suggested seems to have sinister Orwellian tones to it.

I was about to say just that.

the penchent for trying to regulate everything coming from the labour party would have all infants with one of those QR codes stamped on their forehead at birth.

we've seen your future matey,we don't like it and we won't have it.

no amount of reverse-psychology flooding the place with migrants etc that can't be controlled-or tracked and left to deliberately run riot-until of course as if by magic you come up with a solution when you've caused enough chaos.

you've been well and truly sussed.

you are dangerous people indeed-and need to be re-educated for the good of the country(sorry if that steps on your toes using your own propaganda methods against you)

last lot who tried this,we sent the black and tans over..so don't think we can't out fascist the fascists if necessary.

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Modern technology?.... What in large pockets of the UK there is still no internet or poor internet connection or a mobile phone connection..... And yes people do live and work in these areas and try to run a business...... What hope is there?

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Warning that Britain is broken and lagging behind in a bygone era of Fordism, “mass production,” and “mass administration,”..

"Mass production"? Where is that apart from mass production of the ponzi in house prices and in fraud etc.

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Drawing inspiration from former UK Prime Minister and Labour MP Harold Wilson's celebration of the spirit of the scientific revolution, Cruddas argued that a Labour government would use technology to radically redesign the British state – once again affirming Labour’s status as “the party of hope and modernity.”

No they won't.

They'll continue to do what Mr Wilson did and pretend to be the advocate of the "White heat of technology" and continue to turn the UK into the shambles it currently is.

"The party of hope and modernity" - that's a laugh seeing as along with their chums in the LibLabCon for decades they've just done debt and tax which is the exact opposite.

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No they won't.

They'll continue to do what Mr Wilson did and pretend to be the advocate of the "White heat of technology" and continue to turn the UK into the shambles it currently is.

"The party of hope and modernity" - that's a laugh seeing as along with their chums in the LibLabCon for decades they've just done debt and tax which is the exact opposite.

technology is not bad..it just IS.

like a car..in the right hands, a useful tool to travel faster than walking

in the wrong hands...a 3/4 tonne projectile for running pedestrians over with

(actually, such is the skewed logic of these guys, they actually DO consider the latter to be the right way because it will reduce our carbon footprint by going and running people over)

it's the application of the technology that we don't trust them with...their mantra, as has been for the last 50 years at least, is all about control everything.

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technology is not bad..it just IS.

like a car..in the right hands, a useful tool to travel faster than walking

in the wrong hands...a 3/4 tonne projectile for running pedestrians over with

it's the application of the technology that we don't trust them with...their mantra, as has been for the last 50 years at least, is all about control everything.

Good/bad or just Is the authorities haven't been interested in it apart from lip service and reducing the unemployment figures by trying to push UK youngsters into engineering and technology courses under the guise of skill shortages (aka cheap skilled labour required) and also to support the colleges and college staff.

Over the last few decades they've been very persistent in introducing the technology of control even if most of it is developed outside of the UK and they've done little or nothing towards supporting and recreating significant UK technology that would truly help to rebalance the UK economy - apart from the control everything installation skills that is.

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He's right. Or, could be .... no, I don't really think so.

But that last paragraph about harnessing technology for government is right. That is to say, network our MPs, and make it a requirement that every MP live not in London but in the constituency they purport to represent. The old parliament can become a museum, and a venue for a week-long conference of all the MPs maybe two or three times a year.

That way those of us who live far from London can be represented too.

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The problem is that the correct solution to the issues he raises is to close down the Labour party and go home. An industrial-era party has nothing useful to contribute to a post-industrial world, and their big government philosophy is largely responsible for the mess Britain is in today.

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He has some valid ideas but they aren't original. Mr Wilson expressed similar ideas in the 60s which he seems to be copying and despite mentioning Mr Wilson then hoping that people won't remember the details of what Mr Wilson used to say (and then compared to what he actually did) - and even after more than half a century it's still restrictive practices plus tax, debt and spend by all branches of the LibLabCon.

He also says


“I just don't mean bolting this onto the existing one, I mean let's build an entirely new digital machinery of government alongside the existing state so that we can create an efficient system and transform the relationship between the citizen and the state.”

That sounds as if he's trying to imply and trying to suggest that he might want to copy one of UKIP's ideas which is direct democracy - but it's so vague he won't say the words "direct democracy" so that general idea can be reneged on if they get back into power and "transform the relationship between the citizen and the state." could turn into something extremely authoritarian.

The LibLabCon has a lot to answer for.

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He's right. Or, could be .... no, I don't really think so.

But that last paragraph about harnessing technology for government is right. That is to say, network our MPs, and make it a requirement that every MP live not in London but in the constituency they purport to represent. The old parliament can become a museum, and a venue for a week-long conference of all the MPs maybe two or three times a year.

That way those of us who live far from London can be represented too.

But that wouldn't give politicians any opportunity to meet, to discuss, to scheme, to conspire...

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I was about to say just that.

the penchent for trying to regulate everything coming from the labour party would have all infants with one of those QR codes stamped on their forehead at birth.

we've seen your future matey,we don't like it and we won't have it.

no amount of reverse-psychology flooding the place with migrants etc that can't be controlled-or tracked and left to deliberately run riot-until of course as if by magic you come up with a solution when you've caused enough chaos.

you've been well and truly sussed.

you are dangerous people indeed-and need to be re-educated for the good of the country(sorry if that steps on your toes using your own propaganda methods against you)

last lot who tried this,we sent the black and tans over..so don't think we can't out fascist the fascists if necessary.

Labour creates the problem and then appears with the terrifying solution.

Oh what a surprise! We have been expecting you Sir.

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Labour didn't create the problem though. "The problem" has been that there has been no alternative to deregulated free market capitalism in the UK for over 30 years and Labour had no choice to go along with it under the climate that existed in 1997 and continues today in the UK although just maybe more people are waking up to the con. The deregulated free market model puts more wealth into the hands of the few and less wealth into the hands of the majority. What has been going on through the illusion of debt, privatisation and selling off the infrastructure is an attempt to persuade the masses that the deregulated free market model was for their benefit when all the time they were being conned into handing over the future to the 1%. Cruddas is correct in that the UK is not fit for purpose but it will not be made more fit for purpose by more of the same.

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Labour didn't create the problem though. "The problem" has been that there has been no alternative to deregulated free market capitalism in the UK for over 30 years

'Deregulated free market capitalism' in a country where the government sets interest rates, spends nearly 50% of GDP, steals vast sums from the poor to bail out the 'capitalists' in the banks, and tells you that you can't even build a house on your own land.

Very funny.

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Labour didn't create the problem though. "The problem" has been that there has been no alternative to deregulated free market capitalism in the UK for over 30 years and Labour had no choice to go along with it under the climate that existed in 1997 and continues today in the UK although just maybe more people are waking up to the con. The deregulated free market model puts more wealth into the hands of the few and less wealth into the hands of the majority. What has been going on through the illusion of debt, privatisation and selling off the infrastructure is an attempt to persuade the masses that the deregulated free market model was for their benefit when all the time they were being conned into handing over the future to the 1%. Cruddas is correct in that the UK is not fit for purpose but it will not be made more fit for purpose by more of the same.

"Had no choice but to go along with it"

So what exactly was the point of voting Labour in 1997? :unsure:

And would a vote for Labour in 2015 also be a complete waste, if once in power they "have no choice but..."? (re- :unsure: )

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Labour didn't create the problem though. "The problem" has been that there has been no alternative to deregulated free market capitalism in the UK for over 30 years and Labour had no choice to go along with it under the climate that existed in 1997 and continues today in the UK although just maybe more people are waking up to the con. The deregulated free market model puts more wealth into the hands of the few and less wealth into the hands of the majority. What has been going on through the illusion of debt, privatisation and selling off the infrastructure is an attempt to persuade the masses that the deregulated free market model was for their benefit when all the time they were being conned into handing over the future to the 1%. Cruddas is correct in that the UK is not fit for purpose but it will not be made more fit for purpose by more of the same.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's the way you tell 'em mate

Hilarious!

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'Deregulated free market capitalism' in a country where the government sets interest rates, spends nearly 50% of GDP, steals vast sums from the poor to bail out the 'capitalists' in the banks, and tells you that you can't even build a house on your own land.

Very funny.

This bloke must be a paid labour Party troll because NOBODY in a sane state of mind could write this codswallop

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Must have been all that financial regulation that caused Northern Rock to do what they did then? Or maybe it had something to do with demutualising the building societies and financial deregulation?

This forum increasingly resembles the mentality of what used to go on behind the Berlin wall before 1990. Keep insisting that the only way to run an economy is the way we do it despite the fact that the way other countries do it produces consistently better outcomes. Of course you end up with the state bailing out the resultant private sector losses, that is where the model leads!!

As usual no explanation from the free market knows best trolls as to why the UK has worse pretty much everything than the rest of Europe after 35 years of deregulated madness.

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technology is not bad..it just IS.

The obsession with it is bad though, when we've manouevred ourselves into a position of reliance on it to do fairly ordinary things. Too much of it that's possibly nice to have has turned into necessary. A society that can't at least cope with a fairly basic level of technology (mostly pre-industrial say) and treats the rest as a pleasant luxury is a wreck.

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Must have been all that financial regulation that caused Northern Rock to do what they did then? Or maybe it had something to do with demutualising the building societies and financial deregulation?

This forum increasingly resembles the mentality of what used to go on behind the Berlin wall before 1990. Keep insisting that the only way to run an economy is the way we do it despite the fact that the way other countries do it produces consistently better outcomes.

Tell it to Gordon. No choice from 1997? After 'If it's not hurting it's not working' years of unpopular Conservative measures to rebalance economy leading upto 1997; house price up as much as 400% here since then.

2009

The tripartite system put in place by New Labour to regulate the economy was responsible for the financial crisis, according to a devastating new report by the House of Lords economic affairs committee.

All the 1997 onward Labour giveaways from them in power, always Blair backed by Gordon promising more and money money to spend on projects.. something Conservatives could never compete with. National Minimum Wage a joke vs pay rises higher up the scale which followed, gap widening. Non-means tested Winter Fuel Allowance bung. Free bus (and in regions free train/tube/tram) passes for over 60s, the over 60 now strongly defend as what they deserve/ 'worked for'.

No More Boom And Bust over and over.

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