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When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. – Ayn Rand; Atlas Shrugged, 1957



I wonder if she realised that she'd really be describing Wall Street and the bankers rather than the redistributed government she feared?


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Atlas Shrugged is a glorious book

My copy sits next to Reminiscences of a Stock Operator and Jack Schwager's Market Wizards series on my book shelf

Just acquired a copy. When I have time I shall give it a read.

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When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. – Ayn Rand; Atlas Shrugged, 1957

I wonder if she realised that she'd really be describing Wall Street and the bankers rather than the redistributed government she feared?

I tried reading The Fountainhead once. It just goes on and on...I couldn't finish it, too monotonous.

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I tried reading The Fountainhead once. It just goes on and on...I couldn't finish it, too monotonous.

You don't LIKE reading obsessive 5,000 page novels about noble 'creators' being oppressed and leeched off by sly, feckless 'looters'?? Ayn Rand probably isn't for you, then ;)

If you're going to read anything Rand-related, then go for this webcomic about her life: it's funny and rather sad, too:

http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic

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You don't LIKE reading obsessive 5,000 page novels about noble 'creators' being oppressed and leeched off by sly, feckless 'looters'?? Ayn Rand probably isn't for you, then ;)

If you're going to read anything Rand-related, then go for this webcomic about her life: it's funny and rather sad, too:

http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic

Yes, she came across as a very bitter person. That book (The Fountainhead) is like an ode to nihilism.

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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. -- John Rogers

And I didn't need to read either to be like that.

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The very concept behind Atlas Shrugged is an intriguing one; subverting as it does the Marxist concept of exploitation. There are definitely bits that cannot be wholly ignored.

However, it is rightly seen as a niche book. But it should shock you to hear that in many schools in America it is a pretty common book on the English curriculum. That is a pretty shocking attempt at indoctrination.

And John Galt's speech is crap.

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The Maestro Alan Greenspan is a Randian acolyte.

Greenspan is the Francisco d'Anconia of the real world.

While Rand was a bit of a nutter, Atlas Shrugged is both hilarious and incredibly prescient. Though I guess having one of her disciples destroy fiat currency is probably helping her predictions come true.

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Yes, she came across as a very bitter person.

Having your family destroyed by Communists and being forced to flee the country to escape from them does tend to make a person a little bitter, I imagine.

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There are many "grand designs" or "contemporary apartments" or exclusive developments I would love to see Howard Roark dynamite! I wish I had Roarks balls in my working life having sat through many meetings watching ******wits tear good ideas or designs apart.

I do love the term creators and looters especially being a creator myself. I often wonder what the percentage is of looters v creators and at what point it tips and collapses.

Books are a ******ing chore though, atlas shrugged is a long slog through many boring conversations about railways. Her writing style isn't exciting and my god her books drag on.

Would a landlord count as a looter? I think so.

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For some reason when I think of Ayn Rand images from "Starship Troopers" appear in my head.

Robert Heinlein, the author of the book it's based on, apparently once joked that he made Ayn Rand look like a socialist.

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A crashing bore, who talked $hit, wrote $hit, and when the crunch came went against everything she believed in.

Of course there were elements of truth, and logic etc. There always is when peddling rhetoric.

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Robert Heinlein, the author of the book it's based on, apparently once joked that he made Ayn Rand look like a socialist.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, good book for libertarians. :D

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Fascinating interview. Struck me that it proposes an ideal, Utopian society - guaranteed to fail, as all such societies are when faced with all the events that the real, ultimately unpredictable, world can throw at you.

But it struck me a long time ago that you can only logically act in your own self interest, that Albert Schweitzer, for example, could only do what he did, in the same way as Adolf Hitler. You can make a case that Schweitzer's actions were more beneficial, but ultimately they were what he was driven to do. Rand's point about the 'economy' of loving someone made a lot of sense to me - as well as her point that loving everyone meant loving no-one.

A lot of stuff I didn't agree with, but thought provoking & quite refreshing. At least you certainly knew where she stood!

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The Maestro Alan Greenspan is a Randian acolyte.

He surely couldn't be as dumb as to not realize in Rands world he would be king of the "looters"? Is he that dumb? or has he just not read it and claims he has to pretend he is smart? Like so many do with Adam Smith too.

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